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Post by phludowin on Nov 16, 2024 16:59:26 GMT
It’s the same for all three. Control over people. Mostly women. In all three. Exactly. The three Abrahamic religions. And honestly, this follows for all religions. Hinduism used to require that all the wives of a dead man throw themselves onto the husband's funeral pyre. What religion isn't dominated by males? Wicca, and Unitarian Universalism, are not necessarily dominated by males. In fact, they are very tolerant religions, and care less about what you are, then who you are. Too bad I consider most of their beliefs regarding the "supernatural" nonsensical... |
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Post by phludowin on Nov 16, 2024 17:00:49 GMT
It's what they've been taught. How best to be a victim at all times.
I think fundamentally it's not so much about victimhood but rather about being conditioned to believe that the entire history of humanity is nothing but a power struggle of variously defined identity groups. Is that belief wrong? It's a dialectic view on history, which was refined by Hegel and adopted by Marx. And history can be interpreted as such. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 16, 2024 17:01:14 GMT
What does informing everyone "This is it!" gain you? ![[shrug]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/GNdzQKpfkkHBBwUPdCiE.gif) It doesn't seem to motivate people towards the better, imo. If you're okay with fake promises, go for it. And the history of warfare in Christian and Muslim nations doesn't indicate a motivation toward the better either.
Remember, I'm riding the fence on this subject, too
I don't buy into religion, myself.
But I do think it gives millions of people comfort. So if it's what they need to get thru the day, day after day, have at 'er. Just leave me out of it.
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Post by phludowin on Nov 16, 2024 17:05:43 GMT
They all promise you that the next life is going to be better than the current one. Acceptance of this argument is an excellent filter for selecting a compliant flock, willing to endure hardship for a reward after death, give money to the church, vote Republican, and be more likely to go for questionable real estate transactions. Seneca (I believe) said it sort of like this. "Religion is considered by the common people as true; by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." |
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Post by papamihel on Nov 16, 2024 17:06:29 GMT
I think fundamentally it's not so much about victimhood but rather about being conditioned to believe that the entire history of humanity is nothing but a power struggle of variously defined identity groups. Is that belief wrong? It's a dialectic view on history, which was refined by Hegel and adopted by Marx. And history can be interpreted as such. It is wrong. It's an intellectual fancy which has no basis in human nature. |
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Post by phludowin on Nov 16, 2024 17:07:23 GMT
Is that belief wrong? It's a dialectic view on history, which was refined by Hegel and adopted by Marx. And history can be interpreted as such. It is wrong. It's an intellectual fancy which has no basis in human nature. I disagree. I believe history can be viewed as a dialectic struggle between groups of people. |
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Post by papamihel on Nov 16, 2024 17:13:01 GMT
I think fundamentally it's not so much about victimhood but rather about being conditioned to believe that the entire history of humanity is nothing but a power struggle of variously defined identity groups. Every religion is going to be translated through the filter of its local context and environment. In the case of each religion, the culture around which they evolved came first. Consider local traditions and culture as the hand on the wheel. I am not sure why are you answering to this particular comment but I agree. Culture is a workaround which became a necessity as soon as human societies had gotten too complex and dynamic for "winning" sets of genes to develop in time. So instead of relying purely on "hardwired" instincts to react in most situations humans started conditioning themselves to patterns of behavior which would allow them to survive and thrive in their societies. And religion was the most effective way to do it. Thousands of years later we can disconnect a system of beliefs from its cultural origins and\or its institutions and try to examine them as they are. I find it an interesting exercise. |
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Post by papamihel on Nov 16, 2024 17:13:46 GMT
It is wrong. It's an intellectual fancy which has no basis in human nature. I disagree. I believe history can be viewed as a dialectic struggle between groups of people. That makes you a very dangerous animal, my friend. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 16, 2024 17:20:16 GMT
Exactly. The three Abrahamic religions. And honestly, this follows for all religions. Hinduism used to require that all the wives of a dead man throw themselves onto the husband's funeral pyre. What religion isn't dominated by males? Wicca, and Unitarian Universalism, are not necessarily dominated by males. In fact, they are very tolerant religions, and care less about what you are, then who you are. Too bad I consider most of their beliefs regarding the "supernatural" nonsensical...  |
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Post by general313 on Nov 16, 2024 18:30:46 GMT
They all promise you that the next life is going to be better than the current one. Acceptance of this argument is an excellent filter for selecting a compliant flock, willing to endure hardship for a reward after death, give money to the church, vote Republican, and be more likely to go for questionable real estate transactions. Seneca (I believe) said it sort of like this. "Religion is considered by the common people as true; by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." Nice quote. Here's some more... Karl Marx: "Religion is the opiate of the masses". Napoleon: "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich." Mark Twain: "Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven....The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste." |
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Post by merh on Nov 16, 2024 18:32:52 GMT
What do you think is the main idea of... Let's start with an easy one. What do you think is the main idea of Judaism, Christianity, Islam? Each one separately, of course... It’s the same for all three. Control over people. Mostly women. In all three. That was the central point of Heretic. |
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Post by merh on Nov 16, 2024 18:35:13 GMT
It’s the same for all three. Control over people. Mostly women. In all three. I don't usually engage with you but you can't be THAT ignorant. Do you seriously believe that a religious belief of any other part of a culture, for that matter, forms as a conspiracy? Have you seen Heretic? Mr. Reed studied religion for decades & came to the belief the one true religion was control. Which was sad & empty. |
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Post by papamihel on Nov 16, 2024 18:40:57 GMT
I don't usually engage with you but you can't be THAT ignorant. Do you seriously believe that a religious belief of any other part of a culture, for that matter, forms as a conspiracy? Have you seen Heretic? Mr. Reed studied religion for decades & came to the belief the one true religion was control. Which was sad & empty. So it IS a conspiracy? A bunch of ancient men came together to decide how best to fool their clan or tribe? Don't you think you are confusing religion and religious institutions? |
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Post by phludowin on Nov 16, 2024 18:49:53 GMT
I disagree. I believe history can be viewed as a dialectic struggle between groups of people. That makes you a very dangerous animal, my friend. Is that so? I guess it depends on dangerous to whom. Definitely dangerous to pigs, fowl and cattle that tend to end as my lunch. And if pathological anti-communists consider me dangerous, then maybe I am doing something right. |
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Post by papamihel on Nov 16, 2024 18:55:59 GMT
That makes you a very dangerous animal, my friend. Is that so? I guess it depends on dangerous to whom. Definitely dangerous to pigs, fowl and cattle that tend to end as my lunch. And if pathological anti-communists consider me dangerous, then maybe I am doing something right. "My" side hasn't killed over 100 million people. |
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