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Post by Millard on Nov 17, 2024 13:06:44 GMT
It's a smile on a dog.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2024 13:10:02 GMT
Judaism is to live a blameless, righteous life, as so ordained by God.
Christianity is salvation from automatic damnation from a vengeful God.
Islam is complete submission of individuality to the will of God.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2024 13:13:00 GMT
What do you think is the main idea of... Let's start with an easy one. What do you think is the main idea of Judaism, Christianity, Islam? Each one separately, of course... Religion is the storehouse of something better understood as "tradition." Over the vast extent of history the world and traditions have changed. At the dawn of civilization there was a sort of "tradition" of animal sacrifice. It did not seem so cruel to many people because animals in the wild are cruel to each other. Later as life became much more settled and kids became attached to their pets the idea of animal sacrifice lost favor. It no longer served any purpose. It is no longer a tradition. At first gender roles developed for various reasons that seemed practical. The gender roles of animals in nature sometimes follow patterns similar to those early humans followed. Again as the world became more civilized the need for hunter-gatherers and child sitters changed. In the uncivilized world when disputes arose it was practical to appoint authority in that matter to some person or other. In the civilized world something understood as "reason" is given authority. Over time it became apparent that males and females have an equal capacity for reason. Modern Christianity does two things in this regard. It still has a "tie breaker" for those rare instances when a couple cannot reach an agreement through reason. It is important to understand that is only a tie breaker so that a house will not be divided. A "house divided" is not a good thing. The other thing modern Christianity does is recognize the capacity of women to contribute to the determination of preferred policy. 1 Peter 3:7 says, "Husbands, in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered." I suppose some people will find the terminology "weaker vessel" is not completely accurate, nevertheless there is the reasonable consideration of the interests of women. Science fails when it tries to settle matters that can only be settled by tradition. When people had to cross a large stream it was not unusual to consult tradition. How did people before us get across? Science can offer the choice "build a bridge" that might well be practical in the circumstances. Still there are quite large numbers of problems that science is utterly useless to solve. Then it is necessary to consult traditions that still seem sound. The "left" is in a state of shock now because they believed and still believe religion is the problem. Religion is not the problem, stupid people are the problem. Religion is the storehouse of something better understood as "tradition."Only after demonizing the storehouse of tradition it replaces.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2024 13:15:35 GMT
I think fundamentally it's not so much about victimhood but rather about being conditioned to believe that the entire history of humanity is nothing but a power struggle of variously defined identity groups. Every religion is going to be translated through the filter of its local context and environment. In the case of each religion, the culture around which they evolved came first. Consider local traditions and culture as the hand on the wheel. While this is true of Islam and Judaism, Christianity as an institution, as we now it, was created by the Romans based on their imperial culture.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2024 13:21:12 GMT
It’s the same for all three. Control over people. Mostly women. In all three. I don't usually engage with you but you can't be THAT ignorant. Do you seriously believe that a religious belief of any other part of a culture, for that matter, forms as a conspiracy? Women are considered dirt and men considered more pure in almost all cultures because men are generally in charge of society.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2024 13:21:50 GMT
I think fundamentally it's not so much about victimhood but rather about being conditioned to believe that the entire history of humanity is nothing but a power struggle of variously defined identity groups.
Jordan Peterson discussed this. Academia has been instructing everyone in terms of oppressor/oppressed. And the real value is in being the victim. At all times.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2024 13:24:28 GMT
That makes you a very dangerous animal, my friend. Is that so? I guess it depends on dangerous to whom. Definitely dangerous to pigs, fowl and cattle that tend to end as my lunch. And if pathological anti-communists consider me dangerous, then maybe I am doing something right. Rationality and critical thinking are a danger to the religion memes.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 17, 2024 13:26:49 GMT
I think the main idea of most organized religions is 'The Golden Rule'. Some variation of this idea links pretty much all religions together. Ancient Egypt: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another." Ancient India: 'One should never do something to others that one would regard as an injury to one's own self. In brief, this is dharma. Anything else is succumbing to desire.'— Mahābhārata Ancient Greece: "Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." "What you do not want to happen to you, do not do it yourself either." "Do not do to others that which angers you when they do it to you." Ancient Persia: "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." Judaism: You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your kinsfolk. Love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD. Christianity: The "Golden Rule" was proclaimed by Jesus of Nazareth[39] during his Sermon on the Mount and described by him as the second great commandment. The common English phrasing is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I copy and pasted some examples, but I only went down as far as Christianity.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2024 13:29:54 GMT
Jordan Peterson discussed this. Academia has been instructing everyone in terms of oppressor/oppressed. And the real value is in being the victim. At all times.
You obviously did not go to school with me. As Peterson sees it, the only truly oppressed people are white, male Christians. See, they have all the right answers by virtue of their traditions handed directly down to Western Man from Jesus, but no one listens to humble men of God and reason…like him.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2024 13:31:11 GMT
I think the main idea of most organized religions is 'The Golden Rule'. Some variation of this idea links pretty much all religions together. Ancient Egypt: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another." Ancient India: 'One should never do something to others that one would regard as an injury to one's own self. In brief, this is dharma. Anything else is succumbing to desire.'— Mahābhārata Ancient Greece: "Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." "What you do not want to happen to you, do not do it yourself either." "Do not do to others that which angers you when they do it to you." Ancient Persia: "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." Judaism: You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your kinsfolk. Love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD. Christianity: The "Golden Rule" was proclaimed by Jesus of Nazareth[39] during his Sermon on the Mount and described by him as the second great commandment. The common English phrasing is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I copy and pasted some examples, but I only went down as far as Christianity. The Golden Rule is biggest fail ever.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Nov 17, 2024 13:36:33 GMT
Is that so? I guess it depends on dangerous to whom. Definitely dangerous to pigs, fowl and cattle that tend to end as my lunch. And if pathological anti-communists consider me dangerous, then maybe I am doing something right. Rationality and critical thinking are a danger to the religion memes. It is a false assumption that because you believe in the "science" of 1859 you are thereby more rational than anyone else. Watch closely as your worldview is crumbling to pieces.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 17, 2024 13:38:33 GMT
I think the main idea of most organized religions is 'The Golden Rule'. Some variation of this idea links pretty much all religions together. Ancient Egypt: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another." Ancient India: 'One should never do something to others that one would regard as an injury to one's own self. In brief, this is dharma. Anything else is succumbing to desire.'— Mahābhārata Ancient Greece: "Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." "What you do not want to happen to you, do not do it yourself either." "Do not do to others that which angers you when they do it to you." Ancient Persia: "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." Judaism: You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your kinsfolk. Love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD. Christianity: The "Golden Rule" was proclaimed by Jesus of Nazareth[39] during his Sermon on the Mount and described by him as the second great commandment. The common English phrasing is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I copy and pasted some examples, but I only went down as far as Christianity. The Golden Rule is biggest fail ever. As big of a fail as you spending hours and hours posting anti-Trump bullshit then him winning anyway? I don't think so. You are the king of failures.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Nov 17, 2024 13:44:42 GMT
Religion is the storehouse of something better understood as "tradition." Over the vast extent of history the world and traditions have changed. At the dawn of civilization there was a sort of "tradition" of animal sacrifice. It did not seem so cruel to many people because animals in the wild are cruel to each other. Later as life became much more settled and kids became attached to their pets the idea of animal sacrifice lost favor. It no longer served any purpose. It is no longer a tradition. At first gender roles developed for various reasons that seemed practical. The gender roles of animals in nature sometimes follow patterns similar to those early humans followed. Again as the world became more civilized the need for hunter-gatherers and child sitters changed. In the uncivilized world when disputes arose it was practical to appoint authority in that matter to some person or other. In the civilized world something understood as "reason" is given authority. Over time it became apparent that males and females have an equal capacity for reason. Modern Christianity does two things in this regard. It still has a "tie breaker" for those rare instances when a couple cannot reach an agreement through reason. It is important to understand that is only a tie breaker so that a house will not be divided. A "house divided" is not a good thing. The other thing modern Christianity does is recognize the capacity of women to contribute to the determination of preferred policy. 1 Peter 3:7 says, "Husbands, in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered." I suppose some people will find the terminology "weaker vessel" is not completely accurate, nevertheless there is the reasonable consideration of the interests of women. Science fails when it tries to settle matters that can only be settled by tradition. When people had to cross a large stream it was not unusual to consult tradition. How did people before us get across? Science can offer the choice "build a bridge" that might well be practical in the circumstances. Still there are quite large numbers of problems that science is utterly useless to solve. Then it is necessary to consult traditions that still seem sound. The "left" is in a state of shock now because they believed and still believe religion is the problem. Religion is not the problem, stupid people are the problem. Religion is the storehouse of something better understood as "tradition."Only after demonizing the storehouse of tradition it replaces.
Are you one to talk about demonizing? In your glass house there?
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Post by phludowin on Nov 17, 2024 13:51:20 GMT
I think the main idea of most organized religions is 'The Golden Rule'. Some variation of this idea links pretty much all religions together. Ancient Egypt: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another." Ancient India: 'One should never do something to others that one would regard as an injury to one's own self. In brief, this is dharma. Anything else is succumbing to desire.'— Mahābhārata Ancient Greece: "Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." "What you do not want to happen to you, do not do it yourself either." "Do not do to others that which angers you when they do it to you." Ancient Persia: "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." Judaism: You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your kinsfolk. Love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD. Christianity: The "Golden Rule" was proclaimed by Jesus of Nazareth[39] during his Sermon on the Mount and described by him as the second great commandment. The common English phrasing is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I copy and pasted some examples, but I only went down as far as Christianity. The Golden Rule is biggest fail ever. I don't think so. I believe the Golden Rule is a good guideline. Maybe the Silver Rule is more practical: Do not do unto others what you do not want to be done upon you. But it's true that most ethical systems have some variation of the Golden Rule or Silver Rule. Like Wicca, which says: As long as you harm nobody, do as you will.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 17, 2024 13:53:04 GMT
Rationality and critical thinking are a danger to the religion memes. It is a false assumption that because you believe in the "science" of 1859 you are thereby more rational than anyone else. Watch closely as your worldview is crumbling to pieces. I do not believe in science, fool, but I am pragmatic, which is a great philosophy. All that is required is answering this question: does it work. Science has given us the modern world, while all religion can do is tell us a bunch supernatural myths and call it history. And philosophy ain’t much better. Frankly, I would love to throw a stick of dynamite into Plato’s freaking cave. Did Religion invent Television?
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