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Post by jaypat99 on May 11, 2023 16:47:31 GMT
I don't know if they're born that way, or conditioned that way, but so many people are just sheep. And that's all they're going to be. They certainly don't deserve this country. Sheep get a bad rap...but they are there for a reason, and it's probably as important as it is for having all the other appropriate participants. Maybe they don't deserve this country, but the only thing that's fair for me to say is that I deserve to not be made a sheep in any way that's against my own will and consent. A country that lets us all take our best place in a civilized society is to be preserved. We all deserve that, including (no offense) the sheep. They're trying to force shepherds, sheep dogs, and hunters to all be sheep. And some how thinking the wolves will just disappear. It's ridiculous.
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Post by merh on May 11, 2023 16:49:46 GMT
And yet Mr. Miyagi and his proteges wound up being in many anyway. The unfortunate reality about predators is that they learn where best to go hunt. They will go where the prey does sooner or later. I don't know if they're born that way, or conditioned that way, but so many people are just sheep. And that's all they're going to be. They certainly don't deserve this country. Who made you the guy who decides who gets to be an American? Even the Wild West wasn't the gunbattle heaven you all make it out to be Many of the cities made people surrender their guns with the Sheriff or at the saloon. Those that didn't cooled their heels in the jail.
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Post by darkramj on May 11, 2023 17:06:55 GMT
Sheep get a bad rap...but they are there for a reason, and it's probably as important as it is for having all the other appropriate participants. Maybe they don't deserve this country, but the only thing that's fair for me to say is that I deserve to not be made a sheep in any way that's against my own will and consent. A country that lets us all take our best place in a civilized society is to be preserved. We all deserve that, including (no offense) the sheep. They're trying to force shepherds, sheep dogs, and hunters to all be sheep. And some how thinking the wolves will just disappear. It's ridiculous. THAT's from where comes the problem. You get this already, I'm only writing it to connect with others who do, and irritate those who don't. Sheep need to stay together to best do their sheep-thing. Wolves kill and eat them, so they stay together that the whole can survive the death of few. Sheepdogs protect them, by having all the capabilities of the wolf...without the need to kill and eat them. The sheepdog keeps the sheep flocking so they can get on with sheep things safely...by looking like a wolf to them. And deters wolves, who have nothing to fear from the sheep but much to fear from the sheep dog (and the hunter he serves)...which is basically a wolf with a more civilized means of sustenance. When the sheep decide that anything looking like a wolf has to go...then they wander away from the community of the flock, and get eaten by wolves...who won't go. Lost, alone and vulnerable. Sheep should mind their sheep business and leave the wolves to those who can deal with them. They can dislike wolves and everything about them that make the sheep dog effective...but sparing them that dislike will get them killed. So either some of these sheep wolf-up a little for their own protection...or they respect the fucking sheep dog and all the wolf-ness they represent. There's no better option...except perhaps a little of both.
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Post by jaypat99 on May 11, 2023 17:12:48 GMT
I don't know if they're born that way, or conditioned that way, but so many people are just sheep. And that's all they're going to be. They certainly don't deserve this country. Who made you the guy who decides who gets to be an American? Even the Wild West wasn't the gunbattle heaven you all make it out to be Many of the cities made people surrender their guns with the Sheriff or at the saloon. Those that didn't cooled their heels in the jail. I don't get to decide. If I did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But I sure as fuck can have an opinion. And more importantly, I can voice it, freely. And I don't really care what some wild west town sheriffs did in a tyrannical attempts to violate constitutional rights. Them, along with other cities and towns have been violating my people even more. My great great grandfather was a lawman in the Indian Territories. Don't mistake some village ordinances, in what basically were town malls, for what took place outside of them. We have similar ordinances in malls, courthouses, hotels, entertainment venues, and SCHOOLS today.
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Post by jaypat99 on May 11, 2023 17:26:32 GMT
They're trying to force shepherds, sheep dogs, and hunters to all be sheep. And some how thinking the wolves will just disappear. It's ridiculous. THAT's from where comes the problem. You get this already, I'm only writing it to connect with others who do, and irritate those who don't. Sheep need to stay together to best do their sheep-thing. Wolves kill and eat them, so they stay together that the whole can survive the death of few. Sheepdogs protect them, by having all the capabilities of the wolf...without the need to kill and eat them. The sheepdog keeps the sheep flocking so they can get on with sheep things safely...by looking like a wolf to them. And deters wolves, who have nothing to fear from the sheep but much to fear from the sheep dog (and the hunter he serves)...which is basically a wolf with a more civilized means of sustenance. When the sheep decide that anything looking like a wolf has to go...then they wander away from the community of the flock, and get eaten by wolves...who won't go. Lost, alone and vulnerable. Sheep should mind their sheep business and leave the wolves to those who can deal with them. They can dislike wolves and everything about them that make the sheep dog effective...but sparing them that dislike will get them killed. So either some of these sheep wolf-up a little for their own protection...or they respect the fucking sheep dog and all the wolf-ness they represent. There's no better option...except perhaps a little of both. Bingo. Sheep should stick to the busines of being sheep. The only ones flourishing when they come with their sheep laws, are predators. Anyone willing to protect themselves, and even the ones willing to protect them are the only ones they seem to get weaker.
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Post by darkramj on May 11, 2023 17:39:26 GMT
THAT's from where comes the problem. You get this already, I'm only writing it to connect with others who do, and irritate those who don't. Sheep need to stay together to best do their sheep-thing. Wolves kill and eat them, so they stay together that the whole can survive the death of few. Sheepdogs protect them, by having all the capabilities of the wolf...without the need to kill and eat them. The sheepdog keeps the sheep flocking so they can get on with sheep things safely...by looking like a wolf to them. And deters wolves, who have nothing to fear from the sheep but much to fear from the sheep dog (and the hunter he serves)...which is basically a wolf with a more civilized means of sustenance. When the sheep decide that anything looking like a wolf has to go...then they wander away from the community of the flock, and get eaten by wolves...who won't go. Lost, alone and vulnerable. Sheep should mind their sheep business and leave the wolves to those who can deal with them. They can dislike wolves and everything about them that make the sheep dog effective...but sparing them that dislike will get them killed. So either some of these sheep wolf-up a little for their own protection...or they respect the fucking sheep dog and all the wolf-ness they represent. There's no better option...except perhaps a little of both. Bingo. Sheep should stick to the busines of being sheep. The only ones flourishing when they come with their sheep laws, are predators. Anyone willing to protect themselves, and even the ones willing to protect them are the only ones they seem to get weaker. I'm notorious for pushing analogies to their breaking point...so here goes. Sheep get too comfortable, and begin complaining about every little thing. This is one of the disadvantages of a pure democracy, the sheep will vote to get rid of their sheepdogs because they look too much like wolves...encouraged by the wolves in sheep's clothing. Not much we can do about that if they're set on learning the hard way...just stay clear of the danger zone.
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Post by darkramj on May 11, 2023 17:41:14 GMT
I don't get to decide. If I did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But I sure as fuck can have an opinion. And more importantly, I can voice it, freely. And I don't really care what some wild west town sheriffs did in a tyrannical attempts to violate constitutional rights. Them, along with other cities and towns have been violating my people even more. My great great grandfather was a lawman in the Indian Territories. Don't mistake some village ordinances, in what basically were town malls, for what took place outside of them. We have similar ordinances in malls, courthouses, hotels, entertainment venues, and SCHOOLS today. Well if anyone knows anything about town malls, it would be you. You seem to have ancestors of import all over the place… very convenient. You wouldn't know anything about town malls? What, did they stop serving chilled chardonnay in the food courts? Or did they stop asking for your ID?
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Post by jaypat99 on May 11, 2023 17:45:35 GMT
I don't get to decide. If I did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But I sure as fuck can have an opinion. And more importantly, I can voice it, freely. And I don't really care what some wild west town sheriffs did in a tyrannical attempts to violate constitutional rights. Them, along with other cities and towns have been violating my people even more. My great great grandfather was a lawman in the Indian Territories. Don't mistake some village ordinances, in what basically were town malls, for what took place outside of them. We have similar ordinances in malls, courthouses, hotels, entertainment venues, and SCHOOLS today. Well if anyone knows anything about town malls, it would be you. You seem to have ancestors of import all over the place… very convenient. I've spoken about my great great grand father for many years, on many of these boards. It's the same former runaway slave. Any Arkansas, or Oklahoma history buffs know who I'm talking about. Not really sure what point you're trying to make Husky/Shep/Jordo. Surely you've come across one of these conversations under one of your many sock accounts? Happy national "eat whatever you want" day.😁
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Post by DalekFred on May 11, 2023 21:13:32 GMT
I don't know if they're born that way, or conditioned that way, but so many people are just sheep. And that's all they're going to be. They certainly don't deserve this country. Definitely NOT a Unabomber style of manifesto. Nope.
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Post by theBROKEdontrump on May 11, 2023 22:29:51 GMT
Odd. Where is the bit about "good guys with guns" arming up and running into battle???
Oh right, most of them are pussies in real life....hahahahahaha
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Post by jaypat99 on May 11, 2023 22:45:28 GMT
I don't know if they're born that way, or conditioned that way, but so many people are just sheep. And that's all they're going to be. They certainly don't deserve this country. Baaaaa.... FIFY
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Post by kiwi on May 11, 2023 23:02:09 GMT
Nice it ended sooner than later, but 3 people were already dead. More lives were saved, but 3 people dying isn't good. A good guy with a gun is not the ultimate solution. There is no ultimate solution. Civilization can only do the best it can with what it has. Civilization has guns, so the obvious approach is doing the best that it can do with them as well. The U.S. is decided uncivilized when it comes to guns. It's a terrible distinction, one the rest of the world does not want.
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Post by darkramj on May 12, 2023 11:59:32 GMT
There is no ultimate solution. Civilization can only do the best it can with what it has. Civilization has guns, so the obvious approach is doing the best that it can do with them as well. The U.S. is decided uncivilized when it comes to guns. It's a terrible distinction, one the rest of the world does not want. You don't know what you're talking about. You only know what gun haters show you. You seem incapable of wrapping your head around just how many guns there are in America that aren't connected with anything you or the rest of the world fears...so you assume incorrectly that they are part of the problem instead of it's solution...which adds to the problem. If you are an American with no asterix on your civil liberties...you have access to guns the same as anyone. And if you are not a mass shooter or homicidal maniac...then access to guns is not the problem. The reality is, humanity becomes uncivilized without enforceable boundaries on civilized conduct. Enforceable is the key word, and has the root word "force" in it for a reason. The gun issue is all about who enforces those boundaries...whoever possesses force wields a proportional amount of control over the civilization. It is obvious that in a "free" society...the public must be in possession of a significant amount of force. And the gun community is right for wanting neither government, nor the bad guys to have it all. (because government and bad guys can become the same people very easily...which is more carnage than anything you are complaining about today) We are constitutionally entitled to a substantial share of it. Always.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 12, 2023 12:15:09 GMT
The NRA and the GOP got us in this situation, 200 mass shootings already this year. No other nation sends children to school without a guarantee that they won't be killed before dismissal time. If nothing is done, the situation is going to get worse. Random mass shootings have become so routine, the thoughts and prayers line trotted out so often, that the rest of the world looks at us, appalled. The NRA and the GOP are the devious little Fs that have destroyed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Now, we're only free to die.
are ya crazy? A guarantee? schoolkids have gotten killed in other countries. It's happened.
We've made celebrities out of these people, they're famous if for nothing else but killing others. Yeah, I don't bother with the thoughts and prayers.
And I really don't care what the rest of the world thinks.......many of them are still flocking to this country, so it must not be all that bad.
Pay attention to what jaypat tells you about the NRA. They're not the biggest group, most gun owners do not belong to them and they certainly don't speak for all of us. You've just bought into the pitch from the media.
It's a scary world. The planet is always trying to kill us. The sooner kids learn this fact, the better off they'll be.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 12, 2023 12:24:01 GMT
There is no ultimate solution where people are involved. They're devious little Fs where even the stupidest and least productive sometime manage to commit horrible crimes.
Best to be prepared to defend yourself at all times. Waiting on the Govt or it's agents is asking to be disappointed.
You think 50 is a decent death age.If I knew I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.Mickey Mantle
I don't think that's how I phrased it. I said it just doesn't surprise me to see people drop in their 50s. Just this past month 2 former classmates died. They may have taken themselves out, I'm not sure. But another guy my age that went to a local school dropped, as well. So it does happen. We've lost at least 5-10 out of my graduating class of just over 200.
EVERYONE says that after the fact when the real pain starts to hit. But they're almost always just lying to themselves. Mickey was a big drunk....... just like (IIRC) one of the members of Fleetwood Mac that got a new liver transplanted......and then was got boozing it up just a year or so later.
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