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Post by nostromo on Aug 14, 2023 9:50:03 GMT
If I, a European, decided to cross the Channel in a small boat filled to capacity, people would probably consider me as a candidate for the Darwin Awards. Depends if you are fleeing persecution, human slavery and war, or if you decided to do it for a laugh while drunk.
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Post by Winter_King on Aug 14, 2023 9:52:08 GMT
If I, a European, decided to cross the Channel in a small boat filled to capacity, people would probably consider me as a candidate for the Darwin Awards. Depends if you are fleeing persecution, human slavery and war, or if you decided to do it for a laugh while drunk. Well in this case, none of this applies as these people were fleeing from France. Wait, scratch that. I imagine fleeing from France is the equivalent of fleeing from slavery and war.
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Post by nostromo on Aug 14, 2023 10:04:14 GMT
Depends if you are fleeing persecution, human slavery and war, or if you decided to do it for a laugh while drunk. Well in this case, none of this applies as these people were fleeing from France. Wait, scratch that. I imagine fleeing from France is the equivalent of fleeing from slavery and war. It's funny when people say "settle in the first safe country you find yourself in" as some sort of rule that should be in place.
If that was the case, then no asylum seekers would ever reach Western Europe. They'd literally all be in Turkey. But then again, that's what those people who say those things want isn't it.
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Post by Winter_King on Aug 14, 2023 10:11:14 GMT
Well in this case, none of this applies as these people were fleeing from France. Wait, scratch that. I imagine fleeing from France is the equivalent of fleeing from slavery and war. It's funny when people say "settle in the first safe country you find yourself in" as some sort of rule that should be in place.
If that was the case, then no asylum seekers would ever reach Western Europe. They'd literally all be in Turkey. But then again, that's what those people who say those things want isn't it.
Well unless you're are suggesting that Turkey is actively prosecuting Afghans or Syrians, people that try to reach Western Europe from Turkey, are not genuine asylum seekers. Just economic migrants.
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Post by nostromo on Aug 14, 2023 10:29:57 GMT
It's funny when people say "settle in the first safe country you find yourself in" as some sort of rule that should be in place.
If that was the case, then no asylum seekers would ever reach Western Europe. They'd literally all be in Turkey. But then again, that's what those people who say those things want isn't it.
Well unless you're are suggesting that Turkey is actively prosecuting Afghans or Syrians, people that try to reach Western Europe from Turkey, are not genuine asylum seekers. Just economic migrants. I don't really get where you are coming from. The top 4 nationalities arriving in the UK are Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran (there are technically wars in 2 of those countires and the other 2 have harsh regimes of persecution). So travelling West they would arrive in Turkey first. Turkey hosts millions of assylum seekers and has been the country with the most incoming refugees for the past 9 years in a row.
All the data is freely available here:
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 14, 2023 10:42:16 GMT
The story is about dead desperate people and someone will always find an excuse to shoehorn some racist shite into it. I get more and more depressed by some people's utter lack of even the most basic levels of decent humanity. I hope Ayatollah will reread that post and realise how inappropriate it is to push his politics into it and delete it. Leave that shite to the Yank board. I'm sorry, I disagree. If they were intercepted and sent home, they wouldn't be dead. Surely that is a better outcome? Of course it would, but do you really think the appropriate time for a person who believes that white people are purposely replacing white people in a well known racist conspiracy theory to push their agenda is when 6 people have just died? What we should be discussing is the method in which these things should be addressed. Whether we like it or not these people have a right to claim asylum anywhere they want, they don't have to claim asylum in France or any other "safe" country is they don't wish to, this was done to stop certain countries being forced to take the mass majority, these rules are part of treaties we helped write and are signatory too. We CAN'T just send people back so Ayatollah's race rhetoric doesn't even enter into it. We should be providing legal channels (as we are required to by law) for anyone who wishes to, to seek asylum, if those pathways were there it would likely put a dent in the numbers for a start. Then we should be making sure we make asylum decision in less than 9 months not 18 months because the Government tried to do it on the cheap a decade ago. There is plenty to seriously debate, pushing an anti asylum seeker agenda when a tragedy like this has just occurred though is a bit of a shitty thing to do.
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 14, 2023 10:44:54 GMT
And you want white countries to be turned into non-white countries, you don't give a fuck how many brown people die to achieve that. It's very telling about your motivation. You just hate people you consider "white". "WE want diversity and we don't care how many black and brown people die to achieve it!" Its so fun watching left wingers being useful idiots for major corporations. we need cheap labour and cheap labour was white and black when we were in the EU and now it is just black. Try and push an anti-Woke thing if you wish but the reality is that most immigration is legal immigration and is purely done for economic reasons by Governments.
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Post by Winter_King on Aug 14, 2023 10:45:23 GMT
Well unless you're are suggesting that Turkey is actively prosecuting Afghans or Syrians, people that try to reach Western Europe from Turkey, are not genuine asylum seekers. Just economic migrants. I don't really get where you are coming from. The top 4 nationalities arriving in the UK are Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran (there are technically wars in 2 of those countires and the other 2 have harsh regimes of persecution). So travelling West they would arrive in Turkey first. Turkey hosts millions of assylum seekers and has been the country with the most incoming refugees for the past 9 years in a row. All the data is freely available here: I'm saying that a people risking their lives trying to reach the UK from France are not being prosecuted or escaping war and only have themselves to blame if they drown in the Channel.
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 14, 2023 10:48:10 GMT
Just a reminder to some on this thread.
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 14, 2023 10:51:53 GMT
"WE want diversity and we don't care how many black and brown people die to achieve it!" Its so fun watching left wingers being useful idiots for major corporations. we need cheap labour and cheap labour was white and black when we were in the EU and now it is just black. Try and push an anti-Woke thing if you wish but the reality is that most immigration is legal immigration and is purely done for economic reasons by Governments. I know that. I'm not talking about the government.
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Post by nostromo on Aug 14, 2023 10:54:03 GMT
I don't really get where you are coming from. The top 4 nationalities arriving in the UK are Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran (there are technically wars in 2 of those countires and the other 2 have harsh regimes of persecution). So travelling West they would arrive in Turkey first. Turkey hosts millions of assylum seekers and has been the country with the most incoming refugees for the past 9 years in a row. All the data is freely available here: I'm saying that a people risking their lives trying to reach the UK from France are not being prosecuted or escaping war and only have themselves to blame if they drown in the Channel. Do you mean persecuted? Yes, they are. My wife's a paediatric nurse. She met a woman who was just rocking back and forth on a chair last week. She's recently claimed assylum in the UK (as she has family here) from Sudan, where she was raped and her two children were beheaded infront of her.
I expect you think she's just lying right? Or that I'm lying? Or that it's all a pack of lies and she's after some benefits right?
The world has gone insane. The human species is largely incapable of compassion anymore. It's devastating.
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 14, 2023 10:54:51 GMT
Just a reminder to some on this thread. Just a reminder for some on this thread. 7 year old murdered by an illegal immigrant that came here on a small boat.
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Post by mowlick on Aug 14, 2023 10:55:40 GMT
I don't really get where you are coming from. The top 4 nationalities arriving in the UK are Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran (there are technically wars in 2 of those countires and the other 2 have harsh regimes of persecution). So travelling West they would arrive in Turkey first. Turkey hosts millions of assylum seekers and has been the country with the most incoming refugees for the past 9 years in a row. All the data is freely available here: I'm saying that a people risking their lives trying to reach the UK from France are not being prosecuted or escaping war and only have themselves to blame if they drown in the Channel. like the dead child in Ash's photo ?
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 14, 2023 10:58:21 GMT
I'm saying that a people risking their lives trying to reach the UK from France are not being prosecuted or escaping war and only have themselves to blame if they drown in the Channel. Do you mean persecuted? Yes, they are. My wife's a paediatric nurse. She met a woman who was just rocking back and forth on a chair last week. She's recently claimed assylum in the UK (as she has family here) from Sudan, where she was raped and her two children were beheaded infront of her.
I expect you think she's just lying right? Or that I'm lying? Or that it's all a pack of lies and she's after some benefits right?
The world has gone insane. The human species is largely incapable of compassion anymore. It's devastating.
How many people that have suffered should the UK accept? 1,000,000? 10,000,000? 100,000,000? There are billions of people suffering in the World, millions right here. We can't continue to take in huge numbers of people. Our infrastructure and services cannot cope.
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Post by nostromo on Aug 14, 2023 11:02:03 GMT
Do you mean persecuted? Yes, they are. My wife's a paediatric nurse. She met a woman who was just rocking back and forth on a chair last week. She's recently claimed assylum in the UK (as she has family here) from Sudan, where she was raped and her two children were beheaded infront of her.
I expect you think she's just lying right? Or that I'm lying? Or that it's all a pack of lies and she's after some benefits right?
The world has gone insane. The human species is largely incapable of compassion anymore. It's devastating.
How many people that have suffered should the UK accept? 1,000,000? 10,000,000? 100,000,000? There are billions of people suffering in the World, millions right here. We can't continue to take in huge numbers of people. Our infrastructure and services cannot cope. As many as possible.
Our infrastructure and services can't cope, because of the people running the place, not because of immigration.
Other countries take on far more than the UK.
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