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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 14, 2023 14:07:46 GMT
SO you're saying that our public services were fine until the pandemic? That the £12b of PPE is what broke us as a nation? I suppose the Labour PFI shite was the fault of the Tories as well? No, they've been in steady decline ever since the Tories decided it was time for austerity and stopped spending so much money on them. Adding an additional 1/67th of the population to the UK is a drop in the ocean in terms of public service pressures compared to what has been done in terms of decision making by the Tories.
But as I say, your mind has been brainwashed by the likes of the racists in the Daily Mail.
No, they've been in decline since the 90s, when the government decided to let in millions of people and saddle to NHS with loan debt.
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Post by nostromo on Aug 14, 2023 14:11:53 GMT
No, they've been in steady decline ever since the Tories decided it was time for austerity and stopped spending so much money on them. Adding an additional 1/67th of the population to the UK is a drop in the ocean in terms of public service pressures compared to what has been done in terms of decision making by the Tories.
But as I say, your mind has been brainwashed by the likes of the racists in the Daily Mail.
No, they've been in decline since the 90s, when the government decided to let in millions of people and saddle to NHS with loan debt. You're being taken for a fool.
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 14, 2023 14:37:59 GMT
No, they've been in decline since the 90s, when the government decided to let in millions of people and saddle to NHS with loan debt. You're being taken for a fool.
That would be true if I denied any of it. But the money we spent on the pandemic, that you leftists were screaming wasn't enough, is a drop in the ocean. The NHS spends about £500,000,000 a year servicing debt from Labours PFI mess and it still owes about £60b
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Post by nostromo on Aug 14, 2023 14:46:17 GMT
You're being taken for a fool.
That would be true if I denied any of it. But the money we spent on the pandemic, that you leftists were screaming wasn't enough, is a drop in the ocean. The NHS spends about £500,000,000 a year servicing debt from Labours PFI mess and it still owes about £60b That is absolutely nothing in terms of the overal picture.
When the Tories took over in 2009, the national debt was £998 billion
It is now £2.5 trillion
They've conned you. You fell for it.
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 14, 2023 15:05:07 GMT
That would be true if I denied any of it. But the money we spent on the pandemic, that you leftists were screaming wasn't enough, is a drop in the ocean. The NHS spends about £500,000,000 a year servicing debt from Labours PFI mess and it still owes about £60b That is absolutely nothing in terms of the overal picture.
When the Tories took over in 2009, the national debt was £998 billion
It is now £2.5 trillion
They've conned you. You fell for it.
Yes and one might suspect that the financial crisis and the pandemic affected the national debt. Why do you think people are unaware of this? The problem is that people like you piss and moan that the government doesn't spend enough money, then cry about how the national debt is increasing. Pick one.
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Post by nostromo on Aug 14, 2023 15:06:43 GMT
That is absolutely nothing in terms of the overal picture.
When the Tories took over in 2009, the national debt was £998 billion
It is now £2.5 trillion
They've conned you. You fell for it.
Yes and one might suspect that the financial crisis and the pandemic affected the national debt. Why do you think people are unaware of this? The problem is that people like you piss and moan that the government doesn't spend enough money, then cry about how the national debt is increasing. Pick one. I pick they don't give it to their mates
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 14, 2023 15:28:18 GMT
Do you mean persecuted? Yes, they are. My wife's a paediatric nurse. She met a woman who was just rocking back and forth on a chair last week. She's recently claimed assylum in the UK (as she has family here) from Sudan, where she was raped and her two children were beheaded infront of her.
I expect you think she's just lying right? Or that I'm lying? Or that it's all a pack of lies and she's after some benefits right?
The world has gone insane. The human species is largely incapable of compassion anymore. It's devastating.
How many people that have suffered should the UK accept? 1,000,000? 10,000,000? 100,000,000? There are billions of people suffering in the World, millions right here. We can't continue to take in huge numbers of people. Our infrastructure and services cannot cope. Then lobby your MP. We are signatories to laws and we are even making it as difficult as possible for people to be allowed their legal right of claiming Asylum. It seems your problem is with every political party unless you know one who is going to tear up those international agreements. BTW, we don't "take in" huge numbers, take out the HK and Ukraine numbers Sunak championed we take in far less than other countries of similar sizes that are also legal signatories to the same charters. On the scale we presently have you could take in similar numbers and in two decades you would have reached about 1% of the current UK population, and that is going on current record breaking numbers that are not the norm and according to a Conservative MP this morning are already dropping. Hysterical fearmongering and throwing silly numbers around (100 million? ) are pure Farage territory, stick to facts, there is a debate to be had, but you never get it with hyperbole and skewed reality. The problem most people have is not even with the numbers when they are against immigrants, they welcome Ukraine ones yet do everything to oppose Syrian ones, I wonder why that may be.
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 14, 2023 15:30:30 GMT
I'm saying that a people risking their lives trying to reach the UK from France are not being prosecuted or escaping war and only have themselves to blame if they drown in the Channel. Do you mean persecuted? Yes, they are. My wife's a paediatric nurse. She met a woman who was just rocking back and forth on a chair last week. She's recently claimed assylum in the UK (as she has family here) from Sudan, where she was raped and her two children were beheaded infront of her.
I expect you think she's just lying right? Or that I'm lying? Or that it's all a pack of lies and she's after some benefits right?
The world has gone insane. The human species is largely incapable of compassion anymore. It's devastating.
We don't mind those that look like us, hence no screaming about immigration when Ukrainians came. It would appear there is other factors in play.
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 14, 2023 15:34:20 GMT
like the dead child in Ash's photo ? Emily Jones was murdered by one of your boat scroungers. She was 7. Is that your fault? You want these people here, so how much responsibly are you prepared to accept for the consequences of what you support? "boat scroungers" Even lower than the average Farage clown. Where I leave the thread, some people are beyond human understanding.
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 14, 2023 15:36:45 GMT
No, thats absolute bullshit. Our services rely on public money. You bring 1m refugees in, who is paying for that? How does the NHS cope? The reality you lot don't want to accept is that we can't do it. The money isn't there and I'll be fucked if I'm paying more in tax. We don't have enough houses, our road network cannot cope, every public service is stretched, from the NHS to schools to the police. The "Muh Tories" argument doesn't hold up. And now you'll say "let them work" great, increase competition for the poorest UK Citizens and deflate wages by devaluing labour. All sounds fantastic and worth it so you can feel good about yourself. The money isn't there because the tories gave it to their mates for PPE in the pandemic and taxpayers money goes on things like Boris Johnson's personal defence lawyers.
You've been duped.
Remember that clowns like that happily vote for people like Boris and Truss who destroy economies and never raise a cheep, as I said, money is the excuse for their real concerns otherwise where is the screaming from the same people when Truss costs the country 60 billion quid.
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Post by nostromo on Aug 14, 2023 15:46:38 GMT
Emily Jones was murdered by one of your boat scroungers. She was 7. Is that your fault? You want these people here, so how much responsibly are you prepared to accept for the consequences of what you support? "boat scroungers" Even lower than the average Farage clown. Where I leave the thread, some people are beyond human understanding. I think they are perfectly capable of understanding that in a cohort of 1 million humans, there are going to be all walks of life including hardened criminals.
But their racism froths to the top instead and cancels out any balanced reasoning of the situation.
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 14, 2023 15:49:17 GMT
Emily Jones was murdered by one of your boat scroungers. She was 7. Is that your fault? You want these people here, so how much responsibly are you prepared to accept for the consequences of what you support? "boat scroungers" Even lower than the average Farage clown. Where I leave the thread, some people are beyond human understanding. Bye then
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 14, 2023 15:50:56 GMT
Yes and one might suspect that the financial crisis and the pandemic affected the national debt. Why do you think people are unaware of this? The problem is that people like you piss and moan that the government doesn't spend enough money, then cry about how the national debt is increasing. Pick one. I pick they don't give it to their mates Yes, no corruption in government would be nice. Now do you want public spending beyond what we currently have, which we are having to borrow to meet already? Or a reduction in the national debt. You cannot have both.
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 14, 2023 15:51:48 GMT
The money isn't there because the tories gave it to their mates for PPE in the pandemic and taxpayers money goes on things like Boris Johnson's personal defence lawyers.
You've been duped.
Remember that clowns like that happily vote for people like Boris and Truss who destroy economies and never raise a cheep, as I said, money is the excuse for their real concerns otherwise where is the screaming from the same people when Truss costs the country 60 billion quid. Money is one concern I have. There are many others. But sure, racism or whatever.
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Post by nostromo on Aug 14, 2023 15:52:21 GMT
I pick they don't give it to their mates Yes, no corruption in government would be nice. Now do you want public spending beyond what we currently have, which we are having to borrow to meet already? Or a reduction in the national debt. You cannot have both. Easy. More public spending.
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