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Post by Winter_King on Mar 12, 2024 17:05:08 GMT
International law also forbid collective punishment, starving of civilian population, transfer of one own civilian population into occupied territory. So Israel is not innocent when it comes to breaking international law. The difference is that I shouldn't expect respect for the law by a terrorist organization like Hamas and I expect it from sovereign nations like Israel. None of these things are true about Israel. Hamas is stealing the food in Gaza and putting it on the Black Market to make money from their civilians. Israel has to defend herself like airports defend their facilities and airplanes from threats that have killed people in the past. Israel absolutely does not transfer anyone to the settlements. This is a totally ridiculous lie. You give Satanic Barbarians (Hamas) a pass for being Satanic Barbarians while they threaten to mutilate more Jews and Israel stops them. Has Portugal left western civilization? All those things are true and your repeated deflection to Portugal isn't going to change that. The settlements build on occupied land have been considered illegal per international law, the blockade has caused starvation of the population in Gaza which constitutes collective punishment. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 12, 2024 17:08:51 GMT
None of these things are true about Israel. Hamas is stealing the food in Gaza and putting it on the Black Market to make money from their civilians. Israel has to defend herself like airports defend their facilities and airplanes from threats that have killed people in the past. Israel absolutely does not transfer anyone to the settlements. This is a totally ridiculous lie. You give Satanic Barbarians (Hamas) a pass for being Satanic Barbarians while they threaten to mutilate more Jews and Israel stops them. Has Portugal left western civilization? All those things are true and your repeated deflection to Portugal isn't going to change that. The settlements build on occupied land have been considered illegal per international law, the blockade has caused starvation of the population in Gaza which constitutes collective punishment. The law is on israel’s side when it is used honestly. The Gazans are only getting hungry now. They were well fed for 17 years prior to this. It was Iranian weapons being kept out. The Palestinians don’t eat rockets. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Mar 12, 2024 17:09:37 GMT
Israel's situation is that over 1000 Jews were murdered and mutilated inside Israel in a surprise attack that Hamas promises to deliver again and again and again until Israel falls. Hamas deliberately created a hiding place where civilians aren't allowed and then hid under their own people after creating a situation where Israel was required to destroy Hamas. There are reasons for the laws against the use of human shield and blending in with civilians. Hamas is breaking these laws and they are responsible for the consequences to their people. Israel is fighting in real self-defense which is legal and moral in the western world. International law also forbid collective punishment, starving of civilian population, transfer of one own civilian population into occupied territory. So Israel is not innocent when it comes to breaking international law. The difference is that I shouldn't expect respect for the law by a terrorist organization like Hamas and I expect it from sovereign nations like Israel. Netanyahu’s government propped Hamas in order to keep the West Bank PLA from forming a government with the Hamas government in Gaza. A little history from wikipedia Sci-five and others keep reminding everyone the Gazans elected Hamas to power in 2006, which is true, and therefore they deserve what is happening to them now. However, they did not vote in the same government they have now. The original leadership was replaced and the Gazans have not had an election since. A lot has happened between 2006 and now beyond the everyday common folks’ control who just want to go to work each morning and don’t have the education to understand what is going on. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 12, 2024 17:14:28 GMT
Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood which was founded in 1928 because of Turkey’s move away from devout Islam.
Hamas has been firing rockets into Israel for 24 years (which started way before they were elected in 2006).
Israel is fighting Hamas, not the civilians.
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 12, 2024 17:20:55 GMT
International law also forbid collective punishment, starving of civilian population, transfer of one own civilian population into occupied territory. So Israel is not innocent when it comes to breaking international law. The difference is that I shouldn't expect respect for the law by a terrorist organization like Hamas and I expect it from sovereign nations like Israel. Netanyahu’s government propped Hamas in order to keep the West Bank PLA from forming a government with the Hamas government in Gaza. A little history from wikipedia Sci-five and others keep reminding everyone the Gazans elected Hamas to power in 2006, which is true, and therefore they deserve what is happening to them now. However, they did not vote in the same government they have now. The original leadership was replaced and the Gazans have not had an election since. A lot has happened between 2006 and now beyond the everyday common folks’ control who just want to go to work each morning and don’t have the education to understand what is going on. Yes, I know. For all the claims that left wingers in Israel endanger Israeli lives, Netanyahu has just presided over the worst terrorist attack in Israeli history and might have helped caused it with his policies. He should resign and given the reported intelligence failures, it's likely that someone should be indicted for criminal negligence. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Mar 12, 2024 17:22:54 GMT
Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood which was founded in 1928 because of Turkey’s move away from devout Islam. Hamas has been firing rockets into Israel for 24 years (which started way before they were elected in 2006). Israel is fighting Hamas, not the civilians. That’s no excuse to let innocent people starve. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 12, 2024 17:27:58 GMT
Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood which was founded in 1928 because of Turkey’s move away from devout Islam. Hamas has been firing rockets into Israel for 24 years (which started way before they were elected in 2006). Israel is fighting Hamas, not the civilians. That’s no excuse to let innocent people starve. Hamas is stealing the food and putting it on the Black Market to make money from the civilians who are supposed to get the food. More food is going into Gaza right now than the amount of food before October 2023. Hamas is making money from it now. |
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Post by Boricanator on Mar 12, 2024 17:28:24 GMT
The persecution and destruction has been going on for decades. And in this conflict, it is 30,000. I don’t consider that a few thousand. Make no mistake. This isn’t collateral. This is on purpose. They are just better at hiding it than the Nazis. This is genocide. This is real. Israel will be judged poorly in history for this.
The primary characteristic of the Holocaust is that it was a deliberate attempt to exterminate all Jews from all occupied countries. The Nazi government had meetings where that was decided at the highest levels, and then elaborate plans were made to execute it. Do you think Netanyahu's cabinet made the decision "Fuck it, at this point let's just kill everybody in Gaza"? If not, the comparison stops there.
I don't buy for a moment Israeli propaganda about the IDF making every possible effort to avoid casualties, but to say that Israel wants to kill every single Palestinian is patently absurd. If that were the case, why is the death toll only 30,000?
Actually, I do think something like that is being discussed. But even if it wasn’t, actions speak louder than words. 31,000 is not chump change. There is a reason the Holocaust was called the “final solution”. It started by killing them off slowly starving them, forcing them to leave and then outright killing them. Like I said, they are are more subtle than actual Nazis because they know public opinion would turn quickly (faster than it is now). But their intentions are clear. They want to eliminate Palestinians from Gaza and take over the region. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 12, 2024 17:31:44 GMT
Israel is stopping Hamas from mutilating more Jews.
This is the intention of the war and it is Hamas being fought.
Israel didn't ask for October 7th. Hamas chose to murder, mutilate and then promise to do it over and over and over again.
This was the choice Hamas made.
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Post by Boricanator on Mar 12, 2024 17:37:31 GMT
No one rational person is comparing the Holocaust to Gaza, however to wholesale slaughter of people who cannot defend themselves in this case is genocide. That said, the USA is guilty of genocide during many times in its history. The conundrum here is why would a nation of civilized, highly educated people now in their own country specifically due the horrors of the Holocaust, would perpetuate a crime against humanity even it is in an acute form. Boricanator did:
You seem to omit that the Director of the movie this thread is about made the comparison. Is what is happening in Gaza as bad as the Holocaust? No. But you can draw similarities. You don’t need to have gas chambers to commit genocide. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 12, 2024 17:38:54 GMT
Hamas has it in their charter to commit genocide against the Jews.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Mar 12, 2024 17:39:29 GMT
That’s no excuse to let innocent people starve. Hamas is stealing the food and putting it on the Black Market to make money from the civilians who are supposed to get the food. More food is going into Gaza right now than the amount of food before October 2023. Hamas is making money from it now. That’s no excuse to let people starve. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Mar 12, 2024 17:41:09 GMT
Hamas has it in their charter to commit genocide against the Jews. But the Gazans have not had an election since 2006 and Netanyahu has cooperated with the Hamas government on numerous occasions. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 12, 2024 20:04:56 GMT
Hamas has it in their charter to commit genocide against the Jews. But the Gazans have not had an election since 2006 and Netanyahu has cooperated with the Hamas government on numerous occasions. Qatar was sending money to the civilians ($100 per person, or something like that) and Israel allowed it. Also, Gazan civilians were applying for work permits in Israel. A number of Gazans were allowed to work in Israel - something like 16,000. Israel has been allowing serious medical cases to come through from Gaza as well. Israel is a nice country. |
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Post by 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐈⬛ Molly on Mar 12, 2024 20:54:04 GMT
But the Gazans have not had an election since 2006 and Netanyahu has cooperated with the Hamas government on numerous occasions. Qatar was sending money to the civilians ($100 per person, or something like that) and Israel allowed it. Also, Gazan civilians were applying for work permits in Israel. A number of Gazans were allowed to work in Israel - something like 16,000. Israel has been allowing serious medical cases to come through from Gaza as well. Israel is a nice country. So Israel let 0.8% of Gazans work in Israel, probably to clean their toilets or some other shit jobs that Israelis won’t do. Does Israel want a medal for their magnanimity? |
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