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Post by 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐈⬛ Molly on Mar 12, 2024 15:23:06 GMT
At some point in your life, you need to rejoin western civilization.
True self-defense is legal and moral in western civilization.
You've slipped away to western civilization's enemies.
There is the key. If Jewish lives were in imminent danger, which right now they are not, and by that I mean they are actively attacking you right at this moment where you had to make a choice to kill the “human shield” or you yourself will die at that moment, you might have a case as it being “true self defense”. But they are not actively attacking you at this moment, so you have the ability to be more strategic in your pursuit of Hamas to do a better job at avoiding killing innocent Palestinians. |
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Mar 12, 2024 15:43:26 GMT
There are no similarities between a campaign of extermination planned and executed deliberately on an industrial scale and a few thousand people dying as collateral damage as a result of their "government" refusing to surrender unconditionally. Every honest person that is not blinded by ideology can see that.
The persecution and destruction has been going on for decades. And in this conflict, it is 30,000. I don’t consider that a few thousand. Make no mistake. This isn’t collateral. This is on purpose. They are just better at hiding it than the Nazis. This is genocide. This is real. Israel will be judged poorly in history for this.
The primary characteristic of the Holocaust is that it was a deliberate attempt to exterminate all Jews from all occupied countries. The Nazi government had meetings where that was decided at the highest levels, and then elaborate plans were made to execute it. Do you think Netanyahu's cabinet made the decision "Fuck it, at this point let's just kill everybody in Gaza"? If not, the comparison stops there.
I don't buy for a moment Israeli propaganda about the IDF making every possible effort to avoid casualties, but to say that Israel wants to kill every single Palestinian is patently absurd. If that were the case, why is the death toll only 30,000?
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Post by Lux on Mar 12, 2024 15:48:21 GMT
The persecution and destruction has been going on for decades. And in this conflict, it is 30,000. I don’t consider that a few thousand. Make no mistake. This isn’t collateral. This is on purpose. They are just better at hiding it than the Nazis. This is genocide. This is real. Israel will be judged poorly in history for this.
The primary characteristic of the Holocaust is that it was a deliberate attempt to exterminate all Jews from all occupied countries. The Nazi government had meetings where that was decided at the highest levels, and then elaborate plans were made to execute it. Do you think Netanyahu's cabinet made the decision "Fuck it, at this point let's just kill everybody in Gaza"? If not, the comparison stops there.
I don't buy for a moment Israeli propaganda about the IDF making every possible effort to avoid casualties, but to say that Israel wants to kill every single Palestinian is patently absurd. If that were the case, why is the death toll only 30,000?
Death toll is now 31,112. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 12, 2024 15:49:09 GMT
The persecution and destruction has been going on for decades. And in this conflict, it is 30,000. I don’t consider that a few thousand. Make no mistake. This isn’t collateral. This is on purpose. They are just better at hiding it than the Nazis. This is genocide. This is real. Israel will be judged poorly in history for this.
The primary characteristic of the Holocaust is that it was a deliberate attempt to exterminate all Jews from all occupied countries. The Nazi government had meetings where that was decided at the highest levels, and then elaborate plans were made to execute it. Do you think Netanyahu's cabinet made the decision "Fuck it, at this point let's just kill everybody in Gaza"? If not, the comparison stops there.
I don't buy for a moment Israeli propaganda about the IDF making every possible effort to avoid casualties, but to say that Israel wants to kill every single Palestinian is patently absurd. If that were the case, why is the death toll only 30,000?
In a five month period in Gaza, 8000 die of natural causes.
13,000 Hamas fighters have died in combat in the tunnels, etc.
This covers a lot of the 30,000 deaths that Hamas claims.
Israel has fired on Gaza well over 20,000 times. Does it take an entire bomb to kill one person there?
There would be hundreds of thousands of deaths in Gaza if the bombs were aimed at the civilians.
Yup.
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Post by SciFive on Mar 12, 2024 15:50:19 GMT
The primary characteristic of the Holocaust is that it was a deliberate attempt to exterminate all Jews from all occupied countries. The Nazi government had meetings where that was decided at the highest levels, and then elaborate plans were made to execute it. Do you think Netanyahu's cabinet made the decision "Fuck it, at this point let's just kill everybody in Gaza"? If not, the comparison stops there.
I don't buy for a moment Israeli propaganda about the IDF making every possible effort to avoid casualties, but to say that Israel wants to kill every single Palestinian is patently absurd. If that were the case, why is the death toll only 30,000?
Death toll is now 31,112. 8000 in Gaza die of natural causes in 5 months. 13,000 Hamas fighters have died in tunnels, etc. |
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Post by thekindercarebear on Mar 12, 2024 15:56:06 GMT
what is a g-spot? alex.  |
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Post by 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐈⬛ Molly on Mar 12, 2024 16:08:59 GMT
Death toll is now 31,112. 8000 in Gaza die of natural causes in 5 months. 13,000 Hamas fighters have died in tunnels, etc. Natural causes as in starvation and dehydration? |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Mar 12, 2024 16:22:08 GMT
The persecution and destruction has been going on for decades. And in this conflict, it is 30,000. I don’t consider that a few thousand. Make no mistake. This isn’t collateral. This is on purpose. They are just better at hiding it than the Nazis. This is genocide. This is real. Israel will be judged poorly in history for this.
The primary characteristic of the Holocaust is that it was a deliberate attempt to exterminate all Jews from all occupied countries. The Nazi government had meetings where that was decided at the highest levels, and then elaborate plans were made to execute it. Do you think Netanyahu's cabinet made the decision "Fuck it, at this point let's just kill everybody in Gaza"? If not, the comparison stops there.
I don't buy for a moment Israeli propaganda about the IDF making every possible effort to avoid casualties, but to say that Israel wants to kill every single Palestinian is patently absurd. If that were the case, why is the death toll only 30,000?
No one rational person is comparing the Holocaust to Gaza, however to wholesale slaughter of people who cannot defend themselves in this case is genocide. That said, the USA is guilty of genocide during many times in its history. The conundrum here is why would a nation of civilized, highly educated people now in their own country specifically due the horrors of the Holocaust, would perpetuate a crime against humanity even it is in an acute form. |
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 12, 2024 16:22:30 GMT
The persecution and destruction has been going on for decades. And in this conflict, it is 30,000. I don’t consider that a few thousand. Make no mistake. This isn’t collateral. This is on purpose. They are just better at hiding it than the Nazis. This is genocide. This is real. Israel will be judged poorly in history for this.
The primary characteristic of the Holocaust is that it was a deliberate attempt to exterminate all Jews from all occupied countries. The Nazi government had meetings where that was decided at the highest levels, and then elaborate plans were made to execute it. Do you think Netanyahu's cabinet made the decision "Fuck it, at this point let's just kill everybody in Gaza"? If not, the comparison stops there.
I don't buy for a moment Israeli propaganda about the IDF making every possible effort to avoid casualties, but to say that Israel wants to kill every single Palestinian is patently absurd. If that were the case, why is the death toll only 30,000?
The current definition of genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. For the record, I'm not saying that Israel is doing genocide in Gaza but Israel doesn't have to attempt to kill all 2 million Palestinians for the action to be considered genocide. The massacre at Srebenica during the Bosnian war was considered an act of genocide despite killing 8,000 men which wasn't the entire Bosniak population and being a significantly inferior number than the people killed in Gaza so far. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 12, 2024 16:37:22 GMT
The primary characteristic of the Holocaust is that it was a deliberate attempt to exterminate all Jews from all occupied countries. The Nazi government had meetings where that was decided at the highest levels, and then elaborate plans were made to execute it. Do you think Netanyahu's cabinet made the decision "Fuck it, at this point let's just kill everybody in Gaza"? If not, the comparison stops there.
I don't buy for a moment Israeli propaganda about the IDF making every possible effort to avoid casualties, but to say that Israel wants to kill every single Palestinian is patently absurd. If that were the case, why is the death toll only 30,000? The current definition of genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. For the record, I'm not saying that Israel is doing genocide in Gaza but Israel doesn't have to attempt to kill all 2 million Palestinians for the action to be considered genocide. The massacre at Srebenica during the Bosnian war was considered an act of genocide despite killing 8,000 men which wasn't the entire Bosniak population and being a significantly inferior number than the people killed in Gaza so far. Israel's situation is that over 1000 Jews were murdered and mutilated inside Israel in a surprise attack that Hamas promises to deliver again and again and again until Israel falls. Hamas deliberately created a hiding place where civilians aren't allowed and then hid under their own people after creating a situation where Israel was required to destroy Hamas. There are reasons for the laws against the use of human shield and blending in with civilians. Hamas is breaking these laws and they are responsible for the consequences to their people. Israel is fighting in real self-defense which is legal and moral in the western world. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Mar 12, 2024 16:42:49 GMT
The primary characteristic of the Holocaust is that it was a deliberate attempt to exterminate all Jews from all occupied countries. The Nazi government had meetings where that was decided at the highest levels, and then elaborate plans were made to execute it. Do you think Netanyahu's cabinet made the decision "Fuck it, at this point let's just kill everybody in Gaza"? If not, the comparison stops there.
I don't buy for a moment Israeli propaganda about the IDF making every possible effort to avoid casualties, but to say that Israel wants to kill every single Palestinian is patently absurd. If that were the case, why is the death toll only 30,000?
No one rational person is comparing the Holocaust to Gaza, however to wholesale slaughter of people who cannot defend themselves in this case is genocide. That said, the USA is guilty of genocide during many times in its history. The conundrum here is why would a nation of civilized, highly educated people now in their own country specifically due the horrors of the Holocaust, would perpetuate a crime against humanity even it is in an acute form. So long as this war is going on, Bibi is staying out of jail. To say the Netanyahu government fucked up and has been FUCKING UP for a decade is not antisemitic. You also seem to think all Jews are on the same page with you and Sci-five. From the The Times of Israel: If they knew an attack was imminent, why didn’t the IDF cancel any public gatherings near the border? Whose head will role for that national security fuck up? They tried to play on side against the other, literally, and it has cause this current crisis. |
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 12, 2024 16:47:02 GMT
The current definition of genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. For the record, I'm not saying that Israel is doing genocide in Gaza but Israel doesn't have to attempt to kill all 2 million Palestinians for the action to be considered genocide. The massacre at Srebenica during the Bosnian war was considered an act of genocide despite killing 8,000 men which wasn't the entire Bosniak population and being a significantly inferior number than the people killed in Gaza so far. Israel's situation is that over 1000 Jews were murdered and mutilated inside Israel in a surprise attack that Hamas promises to deliver again and again and again until Israel falls. Hamas deliberately created a hiding place where civilians aren't allowed and then hid under their own people after creating a situation where Israel was required to destroy Hamas. There are reasons for the laws against the use of human shield and blending in with civilians. Hamas is breaking these laws and they are responsible for the consequences to their people. Israel is fighting in real self-defense which is legal and moral in the western world. International law also forbid collective punishment, starving of civilian population, transfer of one own civilian population into occupied territory. So Israel is not innocent when it comes to breaking international law. The difference is that I shouldn't expect respect for the law by a terrorist organization like Hamas and I expect it from sovereign nations like Israel. |
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Post by SciFive on Mar 12, 2024 16:56:25 GMT
Israel's situation is that over 1000 Jews were murdered and mutilated inside Israel in a surprise attack that Hamas promises to deliver again and again and again until Israel falls. Hamas deliberately created a hiding place where civilians aren't allowed and then hid under their own people after creating a situation where Israel was required to destroy Hamas. There are reasons for the laws against the use of human shield and blending in with civilians. Hamas is breaking these laws and they are responsible for the consequences to their people. Israel is fighting in real self-defense which is legal and moral in the western world. International law also forbid collective punishment, starving of civilian population, transfer of one own civilian population into occupied territory. So Israel is not innocent when it comes to breaking international law. The difference is that I shouldn't expect respect for the law by a terrorist organization like Hamas and I expect it from sovereign nations like Israel. None of these things are true about Israel. Hamas is stealing the food in Gaza and putting it on the Black Market to make money from their civilians. Israel has to defend herself like airports defend their facilities and airplanes from threats that have killed people in the past. Israel absolutely does not transfer anyone to the settlements. This is a totally ridiculous lie. You give Satanic Barbarians (Hamas) a pass for being Satanic Barbarians while they threaten to mutilate more Jews and Israel stops them. Has Portugal left western civilization? |
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Mar 12, 2024 16:59:07 GMT
The primary characteristic of the Holocaust is that it was a deliberate attempt to exterminate all Jews from all occupied countries. The Nazi government had meetings where that was decided at the highest levels, and then elaborate plans were made to execute it. Do you think Netanyahu's cabinet made the decision "Fuck it, at this point let's just kill everybody in Gaza"? If not, the comparison stops there.
I don't buy for a moment Israeli propaganda about the IDF making every possible effort to avoid casualties, but to say that Israel wants to kill every single Palestinian is patently absurd. If that were the case, why is the death toll only 30,000?
The current definition of genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. For the record, I'm not saying that Israel is doing genocide in Gaza but Israel doesn't have to attempt to kill all 2 million Palestinians for the action to be considered genocide. The massacre at Srebenica during the Bosnian war was considered an act of genocide despite killing 8,000 men which wasn't the entire Bosniak population and being a significantly inferior number than the people killed in Gaza so far. I don’t agree that what Israel is doing constitutes genocide, but what I strongly object to and what made me post on this thread was not simply the genocide accusation, it was this (posted by Boricanator): Not only he thinks that there are similarities between the industrial-scale deliberate program of extermination of Jews put in place by the Nazis and what is happening in Gaza (there are none), but he also seems to think that only stupid people and/or people ignorant of history could possibly disagree. THAT is what I am arguing against, not simply “it’s a genocide – no it isn’t”. |
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Mar 12, 2024 17:01:00 GMT
The primary characteristic of the Holocaust is that it was a deliberate attempt to exterminate all Jews from all occupied countries. The Nazi government had meetings where that was decided at the highest levels, and then elaborate plans were made to execute it. Do you think Netanyahu's cabinet made the decision "Fuck it, at this point let's just kill everybody in Gaza"? If not, the comparison stops there.
I don't buy for a moment Israeli propaganda about the IDF making every possible effort to avoid casualties, but to say that Israel wants to kill every single Palestinian is patently absurd. If that were the case, why is the death toll only 30,000?
, however to wholesale slaughter of people who cannot defend themselves in this case is genocide. That said, the USA is guilty of genocide during many times in its history. The conundrum here is why would a nation of civilized, highly educated people now in their own country specifically due the horrors of the Holocaust, would perpetuate a crime against humanity even it is in an acute form. Boricanator did:
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