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Post by geddy on Apr 13, 2024 0:41:41 GMT
The empire of Canada desires a Trump victory so as to launch the civil war.π
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 13, 2024 0:44:16 GMT
Before your contentions are shred apart again, you should be reminded you wanted reasons. Whether you like them or not is entirely immaterial. "I don't see your numbers, but no surprise there." There's a multitude of things you "don't see" (including logic) but I won't hold it against you. I'm entertaining your troll thread because you seemingly wanted attention. "Trump didn't control the border very well, covid did, at least at first." Border crossings were lower under him than the last several presidents even before Covid. Lower illegal alien volume as well as human/drug trafficking. "Abortion is still beyond the reach of government and litigious disaster after disaster will prove that." I never mentioned that though I was pleased to see Roe V Wade corrected even by the contentions of RBG. "Trump increased the national debt as much as Obama, or like any Democrat would, not knowing what else to do." Which offsets the economy, inflation vs wages, lower taxes, better border, lower costs, better energy policy, etc...how, exactly? ** In short, you were given reasons why many people want him re-elected and why he is ahead in the polls. I am not saying he will win..merely that there's a significant amount of reasons for people to support him. You're welcome. Wages have been outpacing inflation for the last year, taxes haven't gone up since Biden got elected, US oil production is higher than it's ever been, and crime rates have continued to go down after a brief spike in 2020-21. Yeah, right. National Debt
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Post by jackspicer on Apr 13, 2024 0:45:10 GMT
If you do still think Trump should be president, that is. Why? 1) Trump is not really a RepublicanBefore he officially entered politics himself, he donated to the campaigns of Democrats and Republicans. That probably has less to do with his own political leanings and more to do with his attempts to have influence over the candidates. As a long time friend of Hillary Clinton he only ran for president so that he could lose to her. No Republicans wanted to run against her since most people thought she was a clear winner. Also they didn't want a career as the guy who defeated the very likely first woman president. 2) Trump is not really a conservative.He is a real estate mogul, and that is a very different thing. He probably wouldn't be a real estate mogul except that that he had good looks, at least in his youth anyway, and his father had a lot of money. 3) Trump is not really religious.No surprise there, everyone knows that including people for whom religion is important. Why then?
Considering all that, why do you want him to be president? Are you Republican or at all concerned for the Grand Old Party? Or are you like him -- a Democrat? Are you conservatives? Or do you think real estate is a career? Do you believe in a higher purpose than gratification of animal senses? Or do you believe in grabbing what you can? Okay, you were losing hope in career politicians, I got that, but you got someone even less competent. He is like Archie Bunker trying to fix a refrigerator, he is only going to blow a fuse. Can you see that yet? It's true. He has no idea what he is doing. Prove me wrong. Trump's opponent is the senile version of Vladimir Putin. We can't tolerate a president who tries to steal elections by bankrupting and incarcerating his political opponents.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Apr 13, 2024 0:45:44 GMT
Before your contentions are shred apart again, you should be reminded you wanted reasons. Whether you like them or not is entirely immaterial. "I don't see your numbers, but no surprise there." There's a multitude of things you "don't see" (including logic) but I won't hold it against you. I'm entertaining your troll thread because you seemingly wanted attention. "Trump didn't control the border very well, covid did, at least at first." Border crossings were lower under him than the last several presidents even before Covid. Lower illegal alien volume as well as human/drug trafficking. "Abortion is still beyond the reach of government and litigious disaster after disaster will prove that." I never mentioned that though I was pleased to see Roe V Wade corrected even by the contentions of RBG. "Trump increased the national debt as much as Obama, or like any Democrat would, not knowing what else to do." Which offsets the economy, inflation vs wages, lower taxes, better border, lower costs, better energy policy, etc...how, exactly? ** In short, you were given reasons why many people want him re-elected and why he is ahead in the polls. I am not saying he will win..merely that there's a significant amount of reasons for people to support him. You're welcome. Whether I "like" your reasons might matter less, whether you can support them with numbers absolutely is material. I have used charts and numbers from the beginning. I re-posted a chart in another reply. If you have no numbers yourself you might as well go to Hell on the fast train, since that's where you're going anyway. I have no desire to join you in hell. Its arguable you're there anyways given your current level of torment. Home ownership rates. As you can see, went way up after Obama and have dropped under Biden. www.statista.com/statistics/184902/homeownership-rate-in-the-us-since-2003/Wages vs inflation. Again...Trump by far outperformed Obama and Biden www.statista.com/statistics/185369/median-hourly-earnings-of-wage-and-salary-workers/Border security. Within Biden's first year (due to reversing all of Trump's border policies and stopping the border barrier projects)...illegal alien volume soared to the 3rd highest levels in 97 years. www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2197934/illegal-immigration-soars-under-biden-to-third-highest-in-97-years/ I've already shown more than enough reasons...but lets go on, shall we? Tax rates. As you can see, every bracket rate went down. smartasset.com/taxes/trump-tax-brackets SCOTUS overturned Roe V Wade....biggest legal victory (one that RBG agreed with) in 50 years. Trump made that happen. www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/05/06/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-wade/ So..do you want links showing VA reform, prison reform, etc?.... or are 5 examples with links/stats enough?
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Apr 13, 2024 0:48:41 GMT
Before your contentions are shred apart again, you should be reminded you wanted reasons. Whether you like them or not is entirely immaterial. "I don't see your numbers, but no surprise there." There's a multitude of things you "don't see" (including logic) but I won't hold it against you. I'm entertaining your troll thread because you seemingly wanted attention. "Trump didn't control the border very well, covid did, at least at first." Border crossings were lower under him than the last several presidents even before Covid. Lower illegal alien volume as well as human/drug trafficking. "Abortion is still beyond the reach of government and litigious disaster after disaster will prove that." I never mentioned that though I was pleased to see Roe V Wade corrected even by the contentions of RBG. "Trump increased the national debt as much as Obama, or like any Democrat would, not knowing what else to do." Which offsets the economy, inflation vs wages, lower taxes, better border, lower costs, better energy policy, etc...how, exactly? ** In short, you were given reasons why many people want him re-elected and why he is ahead in the polls. I am not saying he will win..merely that there's a significant amount of reasons for people to support him. You're welcome. Wages have been outpacing inflation for the last year, taxes haven't gone up since Biden got elected, US oil production is higher than it's ever been, and crime rates have continued to go down after a brief spike in 2020-21. For certain months yes... that's been the exception....not the rule. Besides, who wants to take a snapshot to ignore the overall record? I wouldn't recommend embracing that spin to deny Biden's record. The thread was about why one wanted Trump as president... lower taxes was a good answer (among many). Indeed, the Democrats fought against the tax cuts twice so their record for the working class continues to lose them support there. Oil production is but one component of energy policy. Crime rates was not a reason I gave though one could point out that the leftist riots of 2020 spike the crime rates as it was the largest unrest we've had nationally since the Civil war.
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Post by uncreative (I/Me) on Apr 13, 2024 1:05:36 GMT
If you do still think Trump should be president, that is. Why? 1) Trump is not really a RepublicanBefore he officially entered politics himself, he donated to the campaigns of Democrats and Republicans. That probably has less to do with his own political leanings and more to do with his attempts to have influence over the candidates. As a long time friend of Hillary Clinton he only ran for president so that he could lose to her. No Republicans wanted to run against her since most people thought she was a clear winner. Also they didn't want a career as the guy who defeated the very likely first woman president. 2) Trump is not really a conservative.He is a real estate mogul, and that is a very different thing. He probably wouldn't be a real estate mogul except that that he had good looks, at least in his youth anyway, and his father had a lot of money. 3) Trump is not really religious.No surprise there, everyone knows that including people for whom religion is important. Why then?
Considering all that, why do you want him to be president? Are you Republican or at all concerned for the Grand Old Party? Or are you like him -- a Democrat? Are you conservatives? Or do you think real estate is a career? Do you believe in a higher purpose than gratification of animal senses? Or do you believe in grabbing what you can? Okay, you were losing hope in career politicians, I got that, but you got someone even less competent. He is like Archie Bunker trying to fix a refrigerator, he is only going to blow a fuse. Can you see that yet? It's true. He has no idea what he is doing. Prove me wrong. Trump's opponent is the senile version of Vladimir Putin. We can't tolerate a president who tries to steal elections by bankrupting and incarcerating his political opponents. "Lock her up" was basically his unofficial campaign slogan in 2016.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 13, 2024 1:14:20 GMT
A Biden administration isn't hell for you? You know how it might happen again? People buying homes they cannot afford has been a problem for a long time. Obviously home ownership is something people who like Trump want anyway. There is a time lag between spending and inflation your chart fails to recognize. My chart on encounters has an actual time line, you have no such chart. Lower taxes are the reason the national debt had to increase, and again there will be a delay before that translates to inflation. Oh wait ... As the "right" (for lack of a better term) falls all over itself trying to figure out exactly how to ban abortion, voters will likely go back to keeping such incompetent government out of it. Considering your list here of failures, I doubt what you have yet to list will be remarkable, but sure, let's see those.
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Post by teh on Apr 13, 2024 1:32:32 GMT
Because the alternative is a thousand times worse. Sure. Joe Biden is old and senile and steers in circles. Donald Trump says "Fuck you! Icebergs are just FAKE NEWZ! You head right through that cold white thingy stuff dead ahead!"
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Apr 13, 2024 1:37:37 GMT
A Biden administration isn't hell for you? You know how it might happen again? People buying homes they cannot afford has been a problem for a long time. Obviously home ownership is something people who like Trump want anyway. There is a time lag between spending and inflation your chart fails to recognize. My chart on encounters has an actual time line, you have no such chart. Lower taxes are the reason the national debt had to increase, and again there will be a delay before that translates to inflation. Oh wait ... As the "right" (for lack of a better term) falls all over itself trying to figure out exactly how to ban abortion, voters will likely go back to keeping such incompetent government out of it. Considering your list here of failures, I doubt what you have yet to list will be remarkable, but sure, let's see those. "A Biden administration isn't hell for you? " Stop with the strawman argument. I do recognize things are worse on many fronts that I mentioned, but your whole thread was about why people would vote for Trump. Now that links showing objectively several areas that were better....are you carrying on simply out of defiance to not own up what's been proven? "People buying homes they cannot afford has been a problem for a long time." And when it was shown to be worse/more difficult under the last two Dems, your pivot makes Trump a less preferable choice in this regard...why, exactly? So your coping on this proven point was denial. Got it."There is a time lag between spending and inflation your chart fails to recognize." Which refutes the best wages vs inflation under Trump....how, exactly? Where are your charts/sources on this? So your coping on this proven point was denial. Got it. "My chart on encounters has an actual time line, you have no such chart." Your chart needs full access to view it. You would have to provide a detailed explanation that refutes the links verifying the near record levels under Biden that were lower under Trump. To further demonstrate, the level of illegals went up to those levels a good two years before Covid. Try again. So your coping on this proven point was denial. Got it."Lower taxes are the reason the national debt had to increase, and again there will be a delay before that translates to inflation. Oh wait" I am certain it had nothing to do with Build back better (that was mostly pork), increasing the debt by 50% over 3+ years, having taxpayers bribe err umm pay off some student loans, the infrastructure bill (that was mostly pork), or the inflation reduction act that also added to inflation. And this still doesn't refute Trump favoring lower taxes over the Democrats. Try again. So your coping on this proven point was deflection. Got it."As the "right" (for lack of a better term) falls all over itself trying to figure out exactly how to ban abortion, voters will likely go back to keeping such incompetent government out of it." And that nullifies voters who approved of Trump naming judges to correct Roe V Wade...why, exactly? So your coping on this proven point was deflection. Got it."Considering your list here of failures, I doubt what you have yet to list will be remarkable, but sure, let's see those." Since there were no failures listed, your deflection is moot. Its far more likely you'll just deflect/deny again considering that you got bitch-slapped here pretty hard on every point that deflated your OP. Your petty attempt at spinning is noted. Here is more for you. VA reform: www.jbsa.mil/News/News/Article/1166101/president-signs-bill-to-extend-veterans-choice-health-care-law/ "A major Veterans Affairs reform has passed the Senate by 92-5 and is on its way to the White House. The $55 billion bill will change how the VA pays for private care, expand a VA caregiver program and start a review of the VA's aging infrastructure. President Trump has said he will sign it β and it's sure to be touted among his biggest legislative achievements." Prison Reform www.bop.gov/inmates/fsa/overview.jsp#:~:text=On%20December%2021%2C%202018%2C%20President,mechanisms%20to%20maintain%20public%20safety. "On December 21, 2018, President Trump signed into law the First Step Act (FSA) of 2018 (P.L. 115- 391). The act was the culmination of a bi-partisan effort to improve criminal justice outcomes, as well as to reduce the size of the federal prison population while also creating mechanisms to maintain public safety." So now you have over half a dozen confirmed reasons why people would vote for Trump. Are you going to again feign stupidity this time?... or is it just not feigning and a truly a genuine reflection of your intellect? It has to be that or you're just starving for attention.
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Post by dlancer on Apr 13, 2024 1:44:25 GMT
Better record with the economy, better border security by far, better judges appointed, no new major conflicts, lower energy prices, lower inflation, lower taxes, higher rates of home ownership, better energy policy, doesn't have dementia. Thanks for asking.
I don't see your numbers, but no surprise there. Trump didn't control the border very well, covid did, at least at first. Abortion is still beyond the reach of government and litigious disaster after disaster will prove that. Trump increased the national debt as much as Obama, or like any Democrat would, not knowing what else to do.
They also leave out the fact his previous admin was picked by McConnell, and any new admin will be full of the same dipshits ruining the House right now.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Apr 13, 2024 1:52:30 GMT
I don't see your numbers, but no surprise there. Trump didn't control the border very well, covid did, at least at first. Abortion is still beyond the reach of government and litigious disaster after disaster will prove that. Trump increased the national debt as much as Obama, or like any Democrat would, not knowing what else to do.
They also leave out the fact his previous admin was picked by McConnell, and any new admin will be full of the same dipshits ruining the House right now. I cannot disagree with the likelihood there. I acknowledge the weaknesses... but he was asking why someone would think Trump should be president. So why would one therefore list reasons why he should not? Now if there was another thread with THAT as the topic, it would be a valid entry because there are certainly reasons not to elect him as well.
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Post by damngumby on Apr 13, 2024 1:58:36 GMT
Is there another truly conservative and religious Republican on the ticket? Well then. Archie Bunker it is. Itβs certainly better than Meathead.
Who puts people on the ticket?
That time has past.
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Post by jackspicer on Apr 13, 2024 2:26:57 GMT
Trump's opponent is the senile version of Vladimir Putin. We can't tolerate a president who tries to steal elections by bankrupting and incarcerating his political opponents. "Lock her up" was basically his unofficial campaign slogan in 2016. Show me when he indicted her. Right, he didn't, even after the FBI admitted she committed crimes. Why do you support a president who tries to steal elections by bankrupting and incarcerating his political opponents?
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 13, 2024 2:55:17 GMT
A Biden administration isn't hell for you? You know how it might happen again? People buying homes they cannot afford has been a problem for a long time. Obviously home ownership is something people who like Trump want anyway. There is a time lag between spending and inflation your chart fails to recognize. My chart on encounters has an actual time line, you have no such chart. Lower taxes are the reason the national debt had to increase, and again there will be a delay before that translates to inflation. Oh wait ... As the "right" (for lack of a better term) falls all over itself trying to figure out exactly how to ban abortion, voters will likely go back to keeping such incompetent government out of it. Considering your list here of failures, I doubt what you have yet to list will be remarkable, but sure, let's see those. "A Biden administration isn't hell for you? " Stop with the strawman argument. I do recognize things are worse on many fronts that I mentioned, but your whole thread was about why people would vote for Trump. Now that links showing objectively several areas that were better....are you carrying on simply out of defiance to not own up what's been proven? "People buying homes they cannot afford has been a problem for a long time." And when it was shown to be worse/more difficult under the last two Dems, your pivot makes Trump a less preferable choice in this regard...why, exactly? So your coping on this proven point was denial. Got it."There is a time lag between spending and inflation your chart fails to recognize." Which refutes the best wages vs inflation under Trump....how, exactly? Where are your charts/sources on this? So your coping on this proven point was denial. Got it. "My chart on encounters has an actual time line, you have no such chart." Your chart needs full access to view it. You would have to provide a detailed explanation that refutes the links verifying the near record levels under Biden that were lower under Trump. To further demonstrate, the level of illegals went up to those levels a good two years before Covid. Try again. So your coping on this proven point was denial. Got it."Lower taxes are the reason the national debt had to increase, and again there will be a delay before that translates to inflation. Oh wait" I am certain it had nothing to do with Build back better (that was mostly pork), increasing the debt by 50% over 3+ years, having taxpayers bribe err umm pay off some student loans, the infrastructure bill (that was mostly pork), or the inflation reduction act that also added to inflation. And this still doesn't refute Trump favoring lower taxes over the Democrats. Try again. So your coping on this proven point was deflection. Got it."As the "right" (for lack of a better term) falls all over itself trying to figure out exactly how to ban abortion, voters will likely go back to keeping such incompetent government out of it." And that nullifies voters who approved of Trump naming judges to correct Roe V Wade...why, exactly? So your coping on this proven point was deflection. Got it."Considering your list here of failures, I doubt what you have yet to list will be remarkable, but sure, let's see those." Since there were no failures listed, your deflection is moot. Its far more likely you'll just deflect/deny again considering that you got bitch-slapped here pretty hard on every point that deflated your OP. Your petty attempt at spinning is noted. Here is more for you. VA reform: www.jbsa.mil/News/News/Article/1166101/president-signs-bill-to-extend-veterans-choice-health-care-law/ "A major Veterans Affairs reform has passed the Senate by 92-5 and is on its way to the White House. The $55 billion bill will change how the VA pays for private care, expand a VA caregiver program and start a review of the VA's aging infrastructure. President Trump has said he will sign it β and it's sure to be touted among his biggest legislative achievements." Prison Reform www.bop.gov/inmates/fsa/overview.jsp#:~:text=On%20December%2021%2C%202018%2C%20President,mechanisms%20to%20maintain%20public%20safety. "On December 21, 2018, President Trump signed into law the First Step Act (FSA) of 2018 (P.L. 115- 391). The act was the culmination of a bi-partisan effort to improve criminal justice outcomes, as well as to reduce the size of the federal prison population while also creating mechanisms to maintain public safety." {video height="349" width="560" src="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VaPfZPea_8"} So now you have over half a dozen confirmed reasons why people would vote for Trump. Are you going to again feign stupidity this time?... or is it just not feigning and a truly a genuine reflection of your intellect? It has to be that or you're just starving for attention. FYI,
The topic of abortion is obviously too far over your head to understand what a total mess is in store after Dobbs. You don't see it yet?
FYI, When wages are "low" some people might have a tendency to go into more debt. If Trump cuts corporate taxes, those corporations can better afford to pay higher wages. Question: Why don't prices go up immediately with wages? Why is there a time lag? Answer: People tend to get out of debt first. Of course different people have different habits of borrowing and buying, but on the whole you are likely see what I described. It will be later that prices chase wages. Personal debts are essentially being converted to national debt, creating the impression of a better economy, at least for a while.
FYI,
If you spend 55 billion on anything you can get improvements. The question is whether they are worth it. Okay, this time you are entitled to your opinion, but remember that others might not see it.
FYI,
Prison reform was the culmination of a bi-partisan effort. Your own link says that. So congratulations on staying out of the way, at least that time.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 13, 2024 3:00:10 GMT
"Lock her up" was basically his unofficial campaign slogan in 2016. Show me when he indicted her. Right, he didn't, even after the FBI admitted she committed crimes. Why do you support a president who tries to steal elections by bankrupting and incarcerating his political opponents?
When did Hillary throw a fire extinguisher at anyone?
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