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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 13, 2024 3:01:29 GMT
Who puts people on the ticket?
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Apr 13, 2024 3:03:16 GMT
"A Biden administration isn't hell for you? " Stop with the strawman argument. I do recognize things are worse on many fronts that I mentioned, but your whole thread was about why people would vote for Trump. Now that links showing objectively several areas that were better....are you carrying on simply out of defiance to not own up what's been proven? "People buying homes they cannot afford has been a problem for a long time." And when it was shown to be worse/more difficult under the last two Dems, your pivot makes Trump a less preferable choice in this regard...why, exactly? So your coping on this proven point was denial. Got it."There is a time lag between spending and inflation your chart fails to recognize." Which refutes the best wages vs inflation under Trump....how, exactly? Where are your charts/sources on this? So your coping on this proven point was denial. Got it. "My chart on encounters has an actual time line, you have no such chart." Your chart needs full access to view it. You would have to provide a detailed explanation that refutes the links verifying the near record levels under Biden that were lower under Trump. To further demonstrate, the level of illegals went up to those levels a good two years before Covid. Try again. So your coping on this proven point was denial. Got it."Lower taxes are the reason the national debt had to increase, and again there will be a delay before that translates to inflation. Oh wait" I am certain it had nothing to do with Build back better (that was mostly pork), increasing the debt by 50% over 3+ years, having taxpayers bribe err umm pay off some student loans, the infrastructure bill (that was mostly pork), or the inflation reduction act that also added to inflation. And this still doesn't refute Trump favoring lower taxes over the Democrats. Try again. So your coping on this proven point was deflection. Got it."As the "right" (for lack of a better term) falls all over itself trying to figure out exactly how to ban abortion, voters will likely go back to keeping such incompetent government out of it." And that nullifies voters who approved of Trump naming judges to correct Roe V Wade...why, exactly? So your coping on this proven point was deflection. Got it."Considering your list here of failures, I doubt what you have yet to list will be remarkable, but sure, let's see those." Since there were no failures listed, your deflection is moot. Its far more likely you'll just deflect/deny again considering that you got bitch-slapped here pretty hard on every point that deflated your OP. Your petty attempt at spinning is noted. Here is more for you. VA reform: www.jbsa.mil/News/News/Article/1166101/president-signs-bill-to-extend-veterans-choice-health-care-law/ "A major Veterans Affairs reform has passed the Senate by 92-5 and is on its way to the White House. The $55 billion bill will change how the VA pays for private care, expand a VA caregiver program and start a review of the VA's aging infrastructure. President Trump has said he will sign it — and it's sure to be touted among his biggest legislative achievements." Prison Reform www.bop.gov/inmates/fsa/overview.jsp#:~:text=On%20December%2021%2C%202018%2C%20President,mechanisms%20to%20maintain%20public%20safety. "On December 21, 2018, President Trump signed into law the First Step Act (FSA) of 2018 (P.L. 115- 391). The act was the culmination of a bi-partisan effort to improve criminal justice outcomes, as well as to reduce the size of the federal prison population while also creating mechanisms to maintain public safety." {video height="349" width="560" src="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VaPfZPea_8"} So now you have over half a dozen confirmed reasons why people would vote for Trump. Are you going to again feign stupidity this time?... or is it just not feigning and a truly a genuine reflection of your intellect? It has to be that or you're just starving for attention. FYI,
The topic of abortion is obviously too far over your head to understand what a total mess is in store after Dobbs. You don't see it yet?
FYI, When wages are "low" some people might have a tendency to go into more debt. If Trump cuts corporate taxes, those corporations can better afford to pay higher wages. Question: Why don't prices go up immediately with wages? Why is there a time lag? Answer: People tend to get out of debt first. Of course different people have different habits of borrowing and buying, but on the whole you are likely see what I described. It will be later that prices chase wages. Personal debts are essentially being converted to national debt, creating the impression of a better economy, at least for a while.
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If you spend 55 billion on anything you can get improvements. The question is whether they are worth it. Okay, this time you are entitled to your opinion, but remember that others might not see it.
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Prison reform was the culmination of a bi-partisan effort. Your own link says that. So congratulations on staying out of the way, at least that time. "The topic of abortion is obviously too far over your head to understand what a total mess is in store after Dobbs." Correction. Your constant take on abortion is immaterial as you were simply given examples of why people would vote for Trump...NOT whether Olaf approves of said reasons. "When wages are "low" some people might have a tendency to go into more debt." So as Biden has a worse record of wages vs inflation, it provides yet another reason why people would be more likely to vote for Trump. This makes sense as Trump is ahead by nearly 30 points on the economy. "If Trump cuts corporate taxes, those corporations can better afford to pay higher wages." True... and that happened after his last round of tax cuts. However, unless the Democrats play ball, he would lack the ability to make both individual and corporate cuts permanent... he can do only one. Time will tell in the unlikely event Trump wins. "Question: Why don't prices go up immediately with wages?" They often do.... we just saw it in California. However, there are times its instead coupled with job loses as well. "If you spend 55 billion on anything you can get improvements. The question is whether they are worth it. Okay, this time you are entitled to your opinion, but remember that others might not see it." True. Then the resulting inflation and people's opinions on it can be measured via polling...and (to varying degrees) the subsequent election. "Prison reform was the culmination of a bi-partisan effort. Your own link says that. So congratulations on staying out of the way, at least that time." It was still a measure Trump did that neither his predecessor nor his successor...did. |
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Post by uncreative (I/Me) on Apr 13, 2024 3:08:01 GMT
"Lock her up" was basically his unofficial campaign slogan in 2016. Show me when he indicted her. Right, he didn't, even after the FBI admitted she committed crimes. Why do you support a president who tries to steal elections by bankrupting and incarcerating his political opponents? The FBI explicitly said there was nothing worth prosecuting in her case. Staying out of court is simple. There's two ways to do it. #1 is don't break the law. #2 is make sure you keep yourself out of the spotlight if you're going to ignore #1. His attempted extortion of Ukraine was illegal. His refusal to hand over classified documents is illegal. Knowingly lying on financial statements is illegal. And I'm sure he's got about 50 years of tax evasion in his past. It's not unusual for countries, even functional ones, to put their former leaders in jail when they deserve it. South Koreans do it all the time because so many of them take bribes. Holding your leaders accountable is one of the most important things a country can do. So if Republicans think they have any case against Biden, Obama, or any Clinton that could stand up to scrutiny then they should absolutely bring it. |
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 13, 2024 3:18:23 GMT
FYI, The topic of abortion is obviously too far over your head to understand what a total mess is in store after Dobbs. You don't see it yet?
FYI, When wages are "low" some people might have a tendency to go into more debt. If Trump cuts corporate taxes, those corporations can better afford to pay higher wages. Question: Why don't prices go up immediately with wages? Why is there a time lag? Answer: People tend to get out of debt first. Of course different people have different habits of borrowing and buying, but on the whole you are likely see what I described. It will be later that prices chase wages. Personal debts are essentially being converted to national debt, creating the impression of a better economy, at least for a while. FYI, If you spend 55 billion on anything you can get improvements. The question is whether they are worth it. Okay, this time you are entitled to your opinion, but remember that others might not see it. FYI, Prison reform was the culmination of a bi-partisan effort. Your own link says that. So congratulations on staying out of the way, at least that time. "The topic of abortion is obviously too far over your head to understand what a total mess is in store after Dobbs." Correction. Your constant take on abortion is immaterial as you were simply given examples of why people would vote for Trump...NOT whether Olaf approves of said reasons. "When wages are "low" some people might have a tendency to go into more debt." So as Biden has a worse record of wages vs inflation, it provides yet another reason why people would be more likely to vote for Trump. This makes sense as Trump is ahead by nearly 30 points on the economy. "If Trump cuts corporate taxes, those corporations can better afford to pay higher wages." True... and that happened after his last round of tax cuts. However, unless the Democrats play ball, he would lack the ability to make both individual and corporate cuts permanent... he can do only one. Time will tell in the unlikely event Trump wins. "Question: Why don't prices go up immediately with wages?" They often do.... we just saw it in California. However, there are times its instead coupled with job loses as well. "If you spend 55 billion on anything you can get improvements. The question is whether they are worth it. Okay, this time you are entitled to your opinion, but remember that others might not see it." True. Then the resulting inflation and people's opinions on it can be measured via polling...and (to varying degrees) the subsequent election. "Prison reform was the culmination of a bi-partisan effort. Your own link says that. So congratulations on staying out of the way, at least that time." It was still a measure Trump did that neither his predecessor nor his successor...did. The outcry against abortion bans is already a big problem. Voters have so far expressed their preference for women's rights. Don't believe me if you want, but I'm telling you it will get far worse for Republicans.
The Consumer Price Index (yet another set of numbers I find convincing) is not found by polling.
I don't believe you have the skill with numbers to make any arguments, but you go.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Apr 13, 2024 3:25:59 GMT
"The topic of abortion is obviously too far over your head to understand what a total mess is in store after Dobbs." Correction. Your constant take on abortion is immaterial as you were simply given examples of why people would vote for Trump...NOT whether Olaf approves of said reasons. "When wages are "low" some people might have a tendency to go into more debt." So as Biden has a worse record of wages vs inflation, it provides yet another reason why people would be more likely to vote for Trump. This makes sense as Trump is ahead by nearly 30 points on the economy. "If Trump cuts corporate taxes, those corporations can better afford to pay higher wages." True... and that happened after his last round of tax cuts. However, unless the Democrats play ball, he would lack the ability to make both individual and corporate cuts permanent... he can do only one. Time will tell in the unlikely event Trump wins. "Question: Why don't prices go up immediately with wages?" They often do.... we just saw it in California. However, there are times its instead coupled with job loses as well. "If you spend 55 billion on anything you can get improvements. The question is whether they are worth it. Okay, this time you are entitled to your opinion, but remember that others might not see it." True. Then the resulting inflation and people's opinions on it can be measured via polling...and (to varying degrees) the subsequent election. "Prison reform was the culmination of a bi-partisan effort. Your own link says that. So congratulations on staying out of the way, at least that time." It was still a measure Trump did that neither his predecessor nor his successor...did. The outcry against abortion bans is already a big problem. Voters have so far expressed their preference for women's rights. Don't believe me if you want, but I'm telling you it will get far worse for Republicans.
The Consumer Price Index (yet another set of numbers I find convincing) is not found by polling.
I don't believe you have the skill with numbers to make any arguments, but you go.
Irrelevant as the current Constitutional circumstance is what his voters wanted. Definitely check out the polling to see how the public acknowledges with special focus on the border and the economy. Since my points were objectively demonstrated, it doesn't matter if you can accept or even acknowledge them. So if you wish to continue to deny/deflect... it doesn't refute anything nor allow you to save face. The real question is if the voters who also agree will be reflected in the upcoming election. 😉 |
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 13, 2024 3:30:25 GMT
The outcry against abortion bans is already a big problem. Voters have so far expressed their preference for women's rights. Don't believe me if you want, but I'm telling you it will get far worse for Republicans.
The Consumer Price Index (yet another set of numbers I find convincing) is not found by polling.
I don't believe you have the skill with numbers to make any arguments, but you go.
Irrelevant as the current Constitutional circumstance is what his voters wanted. Definitely check out the polling to see how the public acknowledges with special focus on the border and the economy. Since my points were objectively demonstrated, it doesn't matter if you can accept or even acknowledge them. So if you wish to continue to deny/deflect... it doesn't refute anything nor allow you to save face. The real question is if the voters who also agree will be reflected in the upcoming election. 😉
Trump doesn't know what he is doing and the people who like him don't know what they're doing. Nothing you said here makes a case otherwise.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Apr 13, 2024 3:38:43 GMT
Irrelevant as the current Constitutional circumstance is what his voters wanted. Definitely check out the polling to see how the public acknowledges with special focus on the border and the economy. Since my points were objectively demonstrated, it doesn't matter if you can accept or even acknowledge them. So if you wish to continue to deny/deflect... it doesn't refute anything nor allow you to save face. The real question is if the voters who also agree will be reflected in the upcoming election. 😉
Trump doesn't know what he is doing and the people who like him don't know what they're doing. Nothing you said here makes a case otherwise.
Yes we've established that you're in denial because it undermines your thread and we've have moved beyond that. The reason question now is if the publics likewise acknowledgement will translate to a victory in under 7 months. I doubt it but time will tell. |
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Post by san926f on Apr 13, 2024 3:56:50 GMT
I dunno, his incredibly moving email has convinced me. If I don't stand with Trump, I guess the country will be destroyed. I think I'm also supposed to send money, because I guess being in court means he'll be short on cash, or something? I thought he was a billionaire, but I guess he needs me to donate to the cause. I dunno, but now I feel like the fate of the country might depend on me floating him a $50.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 13, 2024 4:38:27 GMT
Trump doesn't know what he is doing and the people who like him don't know what they're doing. Nothing you said here makes a case otherwise.
Yes we've established that you're in denial because it undermines your thread and we've have moved beyond that. The reason question now is if the publics likewise acknowledgement will translate to a victory in under 7 months. I doubt it but time will tell. What I believe time will tell is what it has been hinting at for a long time now. The problem is both parties. The voters are stupid. The country is heading for the disaster of revenue falling behind the interest on the debt. It is closer than you think. I'll be 70 years old in August 2025. I have been following politics closely over 50 years now. I have never seen anyone as G-- D----- stupid as Donald Trump or his followers. And no, the Democrats are not going to save the country either, so it really doesn't matter how you vote. I'll repeat that as if it you might get it, it really doesn't matter how you vote. |
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Apr 13, 2024 4:42:33 GMT
Yes we've established that you're in denial because it undermines your thread and we've have moved beyond that. The reason question now is if the publics likewise acknowledgement will translate to a victory in under 7 months. I doubt it but time will tell. What I believe time will tell is what it has been hinting at for a long time now. The problem is both parties. The voters are stupid. The country is heading for the disaster of revenue falling behind the interest on the debt. It is closer than you think. I'll be 70 years old in August 2025. I have been following politics closely over 50 years now. I have never seen anyone as G-- D----- stupid as Donald Trump or his followers. And no, the Democrats are not going to save the country either, so it really doesn't matter how you vote. I'll repeat that as if it you might get it, it really doesn't matter how you vote. Statistically speaking the least educated voters are the most devoted to the Dems. That aside, anyone believing the government is competent and can/will save them is naive. Best solution is to take the steps to make oneself as independent as possible. And yes...we're either looking at massive future inflation or punitive austerity measures. Either will cause a fiscal collapse...its only a question of when. |
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Post by jackspicer on Apr 13, 2024 4:46:24 GMT
Show me when he indicted her. Right, he didn't, even after the FBI admitted she committed crimes. Why do you support a president who tries to steal elections by bankrupting and incarcerating his political opponents? The FBI explicitly said there was nothing worth prosecuting in her case. Staying out of court is simple. There's two ways to do it. #1 is don't break the law. #2 is make sure you keep yourself out of the spotlight if you're going to ignore #1. His attempted extortion of Ukraine was illegal. His refusal to hand over classified documents is illegal. Knowingly lying on financial statements is illegal. And I'm sure he's got about 50 years of tax evasion in his past. It's not unusual for countries, even functional ones, to put their former leaders in jail when they deserve it. South Koreans do it all the time because so many of them take bribes. Holding your leaders accountable is one of the most important things a country can do. So if Republicans think they have any case against Biden, Obama, or any Clinton that could stand up to scrutiny then they should absolutely bring it. More debunked nonsense. Hillary stole classified information, kept it on her private unsecured server, and then obstructed justice by destroying evidence. Trump had her dead to rights, and decided not to sic his DoJ on her. In contrast, Trump is being prosecuted in New York right now for a crime that doesn't exist, after being fined half a billion for fraud when no one was defrauded, and fined nearly 100 million for defaming someone who he didn't defame. Again, Biden is Putin if Putin was tinged with senility. I cannot support a president who tries to steal elections by bankrupting and incarcerating his opponents. |
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 13, 2024 4:57:06 GMT
What I believe time will tell is what it has been hinting at for a long time now. The problem is both parties. The voters are stupid. The country is heading for the disaster of revenue falling behind the interest on the debt. It is closer than you think. I'll be 70 years old in August 2025. I have been following politics closely over 50 years now. I have never seen anyone as G-- D----- stupid as Donald Trump or his followers. And no, the Democrats are not going to save the country either, so it really doesn't matter how you vote. I'll repeat that as if it you might get it, it really doesn't matter how you vote. Statistically speaking the least educated voters are the most devoted to the Dems. That aside, anyone believing the government is competent and can/will save them is naive. Best solution is to take the steps to make oneself as independent as possible. And yes...we're either looking at massive future inflation or punitive austerity measures. Either will cause a fiscal collapse...its only a question of when.
If your point is that Donald Trump has an educated following "statistically speaking," no he doesn't. I realize there is a problem with education lately, and people with good grades who don't deserve them. It will still not do you any good yipping and yapping like dogs about how much smarter you are. If you can't read the data, then you can't. Someone else here mentioned a goal of smaller government. That's right, we need smaller government. Donald Trump is incompetent. It is not a good plan trying to get a smaller government by installing an incompetent one. Am I the only one here who understands that?
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Apr 13, 2024 5:08:29 GMT
Statistically speaking the least educated voters are the most devoted to the Dems. That aside, anyone believing the government is competent and can/will save them is naive. Best solution is to take the steps to make oneself as independent as possible. And yes...we're either looking at massive future inflation or punitive austerity measures. Either will cause a fiscal collapse...its only a question of when.
If your point is that Donald Trump has an educated following "statistically speaking," no he doesn't. I realize there is a problem with education lately, and people with good grades who don't deserve them. It will still not do you any good yipping and yapping like dogs about how much smarter you are. If you can't read the data, then you can't. Someone else here mentioned a goal of smaller government. That's right, we need smaller government. Donald Trump is incompetent. It is not a good plan trying to get a smaller government by installing an incompetent one. Am I the only one here who understands that?
No...my latest point (that you claimed Trump supporters are the dumbest people you've ever seen) either demonstrates an insulated existence or ignorance to the statistical data showing the least educated back the Democrats overwhelmingly. Yes...neither option is perfect...but one has a better track record to allow people financial independence. Your thread went off the emails when you closed yourself off from people having valid reasons to support Trump. Aside from you making it clear you'll never accept otherwise there isn't anything left to say. |
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Post by jimmywynn on Apr 13, 2024 5:24:38 GMT
Because his cellblock will need an experienced leader.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 13, 2024 5:26:02 GMT
If your point is that Donald Trump has an educated following "statistically speaking," no he doesn't. I realize there is a problem with education lately, and people with good grades who don't deserve them. It will still not do you any good yipping and yapping like dogs about how much smarter you are. If you can't read the data, then you can't. Someone else here mentioned a goal of smaller government. That's right, we need smaller government. Donald Trump is incompetent. It is not a good plan trying to get a smaller government by installing an incompetent one. Am I the only one here who understands that?
No...my latest point (that you claimed Trump supporters are the dumbest people you've ever seen) either demonstrates an insulated existence or ignorance to the statistical data showing the least educated back the Democrats overwhelmingly. Yes...neither option is perfect...but one has a better track record to allow people financial independence. Your thread went off the emails when you closed yourself off from people having valid reasons to support Trump. Aside from you making it clear you'll never accept otherwise there isn't anything left to say. First of all here, you are wrong again because you are using a survey of Democrats and I am using my survey of Trump followers, That isn't a binary choice. Secondly you fail to appreciate that there are fewer and fewer people the more intelligent they are,  |
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