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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 10, 2023 11:27:50 GMT
Fair point on the HK thing but I don't think standard, legal migration is as simple as them changing the numbers - a load of it comes from people who have a supposed human right to bring 50 family members over. That is surely driven by EU/ECHR laws and rulings, no? You simply cannot control the numbers when such rights are in place. Well the govt is in control of the numbers who come over here to study and work. And for the Ukraine, Afghanistan, HK humanitarian schemes. And together they form the vast majority of immigrants. It’s the asylum seekers where treaties with the UN etc. have some bearing, but that was 76,000 out of a total of 1.2 million in 2022 according to that second link I posted. I think this is where the xenophobia and asylum and immigration thing all gets muddled up together and people start throwing numbers around for political gain rather than veracity. Even with that relatively small number of 76k we would return or refuse bout half? so maybe 40k a year we are realistically talking about, people who are displaced and bombed out of their homes often down to policies and arms sales that we have a hand in, is that too much to support under legislation that we helped write and we are signatory to? Personally I would prefer no non asylum immigration, but until we start paying wages that are comparable to other countries such as Australia in the NHS and hospitality sectors we will have to rely on the cheap foreign labour that the Conservatives have boosted and relied on.
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 10, 2023 11:29:20 GMT
I did though! The UK govt are almost wholly responsible for the immigration numbers, not the UN or ECHR and not the EU (since Brexit). Put your glasses on, grandpa! That's it, good answer to facts that are inconvenient.
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Aug 10, 2023 11:31:01 GMT
it's not the ECHR they have a problem with, it's any judgement from any court that they don't agree with. Nicely put. By the way: if a German politician proposed to close the Bundesverfassungsgericht (German court for protecting German constitution) bc it doesn't give him the margin of actions he'd like to do - he would be laughed at by the German public. We trust our constitution more than we trust our politicians.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Aug 10, 2023 11:39:55 GMT
Oh yawn. When there's an army of lawyers using a pathetically weak system by briefing their clients with lies and the ECHR sides with them and we get the burden on our society, that's not "human rights" at work, that's just plain abuse. It's time for this bullshit to be kicked out and sensible laws to be put in place. If I was a Briton and was asked whether to leave ECHR without having a look into a guaranteed and complete list of a new British Charta with British sensible articles I would deny leaving. The pattern of REUL would be repeated. (this topic has slipped under the radar of British media) The new Charta, let's call it 'British Charta of Human Rights' (BCHR) can only be called 'world-beating' if some Commonwealth nations decide to take it as well. 'World-beating' - code for more rights for outsiders and fewer for citizens. No thanks. We want the opposite.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Aug 10, 2023 11:42:30 GMT
Put your glasses on, grandpa! That's it, good answer to facts that are inconvenient. Good grief - you put your damned glasses on as well, grandpa! Take a look at whom I was replying to that resulted in Carl's comment! It wasn't Carl!
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Aug 10, 2023 11:44:17 GMT
it's not the ECHR they have a problem with, it's any judgement from any court that they don't agree with. Nicely put. By the way: if a German politician proposed to close the Bundesverfassungsgericht (German court for protecting German constitution) bc it doesn't give him the margin of actions he'd like to do - he would be laughed at by the German public. We trust our constitution more than we trust our politicians. No, that was wrongly put. The problem is with any court that is not British. Yggdrasil conveniently ignores those facts and makes stuff up instead.
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Aug 10, 2023 12:03:10 GMT
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 10, 2023 12:52:33 GMT
Having human rights might come in handy one day. Is the United States a member of the ECHR? Isn't the United States rife with witch hunts and full blown racism against white folk or have I been spending too much time on the other board?
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 10, 2023 13:01:38 GMT
Is the United States a member of the ECHR? Isn't the United States rife with witch hunts and full blown racism against white folk or have I been spending too much time on the other board? Your deflection is noted.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 10, 2023 13:57:58 GMT
Isn't the United States rife with witch hunts and full blown racism against white folk or have I been spending too much time on the other board? Your deflection is noted. Would people please remind me to avoid cracking jokes!
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Aug 10, 2023 14:11:58 GMT
Your deflection is noted. Would people please remind me to avoid cracking jokes! Wait, you crack jokes?
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Aug 10, 2023 14:14:05 GMT
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 10, 2023 14:17:32 GMT
Would people please remind me to avoid cracking jokes! Wait, you crack jokes? This is proving to be a terrible day for Stammerhead.
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Post by mowlick on Aug 10, 2023 14:36:48 GMT
This is proving to be a terrible day for Stammerhead. I laughed, although I still think we should sent all the illegals to Germany and Scotland where Nobby and Carl can look after them.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 10, 2023 15:28:46 GMT
This is proving to be a terrible day for Stammerhead. I laughed, although I still think we should sent all the illegals to Germany and Scotland where Nobby and Carl can look after them.
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