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Post by Carl LaFong on Aug 14, 2023 22:34:28 GMT
Even if the inumane barge was fit for purpose and fully operative, there wouldn't be enough room on board 1 barge to fill the amount of asylum seekers arriving into the UK in one single day. It's a ridiculous, cruel, floating prison.....but I guess that's why you and others approve of it.
A perfect (pseudo) -solution! It's a manifestation of symbolic cruelty and fills the bags of those who sold the prison barge to the government. What’s cruel about placing them on a barge? Some of them seemed quite happy with their accommodation. Better conditions than tens of thousands (or more) of British citizens are living in.
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Post by nostromo on Aug 15, 2023 8:50:30 GMT
A perfect (pseudo) -solution! It's a manifestation of symbolic cruelty and fills the bags of those who sold the prison barge to the government. What’s cruel about placing them on a barge? Some of them seemed quite happy with their accommodation. Better conditions than tens of thousands (or more) of British citizens are living in.
An image of the same vesel when it was used for holding Migrants in the Netherlands:
An interview with a security guard who worked on the ship at the time:
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Post by Carl LaFong on Aug 15, 2023 9:11:17 GMT
That’s the Dutch. Here’s the wikipedia article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibby_StockholmIt’s been used in Germany and Sweden and to house oil workers in Scotland and was considered as student accommodation in Galway but couldn’t fit in the port.
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 15, 2023 11:05:57 GMT
A perfect (pseudo) -solution! It's a manifestation of symbolic cruelty and fills the bags of those who sold the prison barge to the government. What’s cruel about placing them on a barge? Some of them seemed quite happy with their accommodation. Better conditions than tens of thousands (or more) of British citizens are living in. I believe that the Fire Brigade had already found the situation there unsafe? It is the safety aspect that has to be right. I have no problem with them being on the barge as long as all safety requirements are in place and also that it shouldn't be a blanket decision, some people especially women and children escaping the worst situations should be placed in more appropriate accommodation.
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Aug 15, 2023 14:16:54 GMT
What’s cruel about placing them on a barge? Some of them seemed quite happy with their accommodation. Better conditions than tens of thousands (or more) of British citizens are living in. that's an argument for raising the ladder, not for reducing the former.
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 15, 2023 14:56:00 GMT
"Bibby Stockholm: Rishi Sunak refuses to say if he was informed about potential health risks" news.sky.com/story/bibby-stockholm-rishi-sunak-refuses-to-say-if-he-was-informed-about-potential-health-risks-12940523Dorset Council has said Home Office contractors were notified about the results last Monday - four days before people were moved off the barge - and that a Home Office staff member was informed about the bacteria on Tuesday. Asked whether he was personally warned about any health risks, Mr Sunak avoided the question and said: "What has happened here is it is right that we go through all the checks and procedures to ensure the wellbeing and health of the people being housed on the barge."
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Post by Carl LaFong on Aug 15, 2023 16:01:21 GMT
What’s cruel about placing them on a barge? Some of them seemed quite happy with their accommodation. Better conditions than tens of thousands (or more) of British citizens are living in. that's an argument for raising the ladder, not for reducing the former. Oh, I'd love to raise the ladder!
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Aug 16, 2023 9:05:49 GMT
What’s cruel about placing them on a barge? Some of them seemed quite happy with their accommodation. ... It had been tried before: (read on there...)
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Post by Carl LaFong on Aug 16, 2023 9:06:49 GMT
What’s cruel about placing them on a barge? Some of them seemed quite happy with their accommodation. ... It had been tried before: (read on there...) So what?
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 18, 2023 14:01:24 GMT
Tory Robert Buckland weighs in... www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/leaving-echr-huge-mistake"Abdicating our responsibilities and withdrawing from international organisations would not only weaken our room for manoeuvre in an immediate practical sense but would cause serious reputational damage to the UK. British Conservative lawyers led by Sir David Maxwell-Fyfe KC, one of the prosecutors at Nuremberg and later Lord Chancellor, drafted the original European Convention on Human Rights in 1950, strongly supported by the then leader of the opposition, Sir Winston Churchill. With that proud history, do we really want to be the only democratic nation to ever leave the ECHR?"
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 18, 2023 14:21:54 GMT
It had been tried before: (read on there...) So what? Have you noticed that nothing is ever good enough? The boat scroungers can turn up and for some reason need to be given housing thats better than what 95% of the country have, at taxpayer expense.
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Aug 18, 2023 16:11:53 GMT
Have you noticed that the govt. uses asylum seekers to shovel money from the tax payer to both rich capitalists like hotel or barge owners and yes, also to "lefty lawyers"? Have You noticed that the longer the asylum process takes the more money can be shovelled? Have You noticed that a even Tory tried to argue that the asylum process HAS to take a long time for being a deterrent? ... ah, I stop here
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Aug 18, 2023 16:15:04 GMT
Tory Robert Buckland weighs in... www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/leaving-echr-huge-mistake"Abdicating our responsibilities and withdrawing from international organisations would not only weaken our room for manoeuvre in an immediate practical sense but would cause serious reputational damage to the UK. British Conservative lawyers led by Sir David Maxwell-Fyfe KC, one of the prosecutors at Nuremberg and later Lord Chancellor, drafted the original European Convention on Human Rights in 1950, strongly supported by the then leader of the opposition, Sir Winston Churchill. With that proud history, do we really want to be the only democratic nation to ever leave the ECHR?" and This is why I gave the link to the original charta in this thread!
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 19, 2023 6:07:19 GMT
Have you noticed that the govt. uses asylum seekers to shovel money from the tax payer to both rich capitalists like hotel or barge owners and yes, also to "lefty lawyers"? Have You noticed that the longer the asylum process takes the more money can be shovelled? Have You noticed that a even Tory tried to argue that the asylum process HAS to take a long time for being a deterrent? ... ah, I stop here And that has what to do with what I said?
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